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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 12:24 AM
Conflict in Gaza.

ISIS forcing Christians to convert pay tax or die in Mosul.

Boeing blown up by Russian nationalists.

All the while its tee time in Marathas Vineyard.

Obama 2016
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 12:30 AM
ISIS forcing Christians to convert pay tax or die in Mosul.
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Not the US's business.

Conflict in Gaza.
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Boeing blown up by Russian nationalists.
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All the while its tee time in Marathas Vineyard.
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He is allowed to take vacations as set in the budget but I do agree that there are some pressing matters (none that you named however) that need to be acted upon immediately and for not doing so he is incompetent.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 12:32 AM
ISIS forcing Christians to convert pay tax or die in Mosul.
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Not the US's business.

Conflict in Gaza.
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Boeing blown up by Russian nationalists.
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All the while its tee time in Marathas Vineyard.
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He is allowed to take vacations as set in the budget but I do agree that there are some pressing matters (none that you named however) that need to be acted upon immediately and for not doing so he is incompetent.
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All of the above are serious issues

Israel is an ally.

ISIS is a direct result of the U.S being where it didn't belong and then pulling out and letting it rot.

And its a perfect chance to pressure Putin who has the upper hand.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 12:36 AM
He should not be spending millions of tax payer dollars to play about while there are some serious issues that could effect his nation long term.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 12:41 AM
All of the above are serious issues
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I am saying they do not concern us. I am not implicating they're not serious.

Israel is an ally.
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I wasn't aware any formal agreement was signed, can you link me to the document?

ISIS is a direct result of the U.S being where it didn't belong and then pulling out and letting it rot.
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THe people are just reinstating what they want; which just so happens to be the opposite of democracy. When a government comes to power that doesn't represent the people revolution is bound to happen.

And if we go back in we will have to stay there forever so it is better to just let the people reinstate what they desire. Then to fight another unpopular war.

And its a perfect chance to pressure Putin who has the upper hand.
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Into what? And it wasn't proven Russia actually did anything - yet.
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Vuradech is not online. Vuradech
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23 Jul 2014 12:45 AM
How about instead of focusing on conflicts the world over we go down to our southern border and stop the invasion of illegal immigrants?
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 12:48 AM
How about instead of focusing on conflicts the world over we go down to our southern border and stop the invasion of illegal immigrants?
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Or how about Raising interest rates to get rid of the mal-investment and massive speculation in both the housing and stock market, cutting welfare and military spending and then work on liquidating the massive national debt.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 12:49 AM
All of the above are serious issues
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I am saying they do not concern us. I am not implicating they're not serious.

Israel is an ally.
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I wasn't aware any formal agreement was signed, can you link me to the document?

Strategic ally yes there is indeed no formal agreement.

ISIS is a direct result of the U.S being where it didn't belong and then pulling out and letting it rot.
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THe people are just reinstating what they want; which just so happens to be the opposite of democracy. When a government comes to power that doesn't represent the people revolution is bound to happen.
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And if we go back in we will have to stay there forever so it is better to just let the people reinstate what they desire. Then to fight another unpopular war.

Yes the Iraq war was idiotic and pointless all it did was open a wound so the bacteria could grow and spread.

I'm not saying to go to war I am saying this is a serious issue that needs preperations they want more then Iraq.


And its a perfect chance to pressure Putin who has the upper hand.
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Into what? And it wasn't proven Russia actually did anything - yet.

Who else is going to blow up a Boeing 747 with a Russian supplied launcher?

If it is proven true the Nationalists did indeed blow up the plane which is more then likely it looks pretty bad on Putin. Personally I like Putin.






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Vuradech is not online. Vuradech
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23 Jul 2014 12:52 AM
"Or how about Raising interest rates to get rid of the mal-investment and massive speculation in both the housing and stock market, cutting welfare and military spending and then work on liquidating the massive national debt."
Both would be nice but I'm more concerned that we are getting invaded
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 12:54 AM
Strategic ally yes there is indeed no formal agreement.
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Which is my point, we technically owe them 0 besides what has been signed in formal agreements. Also they're strong enough to take on hamas on their own anyways.

I'm not saying to go to war I am saying this is a serious issue that needs preparations they want more then Iraq.
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When it gets that far or assuming it does then we take action (and when it draws nearer but not close to completion we make preparations) as it is breaching on another nations national territory. Until then it doesn't even serve talking about, in the House and Senate debates at least.

If it is proven true the Nationalists did indeed blow up the plane which is more then likely it looks pretty bad on Putin. Personally I like Putin.
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The thing is 'if'. Can it be proven it was the nationalist? For all we know it could've been the Ukrainians.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 12:55 AM
Both would be nice but I'm more concerned that we are getting invaded
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I understand the concern. However I am suggesting the underlying issues with our economy should be addressed first.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 12:58 AM
When it gets that far or assuming it does then we take action (and when it draws nearer but not close to completion we make preparations) as it is breaching on another nations national territory. Until then it doesn't even serve talking about, in the House and Senate debates at least.
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What do you mean? ISIS is already in Syria.


The thing is 'if'. Can it be proven it was the nationalist? For all we know it could've been the Ukrainians.
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Yes Ukrainians explode Jets deep in rebel territory.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 01:00 AM
What do you mean? ISIS is already in Syria.
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I am suggesting that Isis is only a major threat to Syria when it takes over Iraq completely. If Syria and Iraq act unilaterally to destroy Isis I could see them being destroyed.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 01:01 AM
Yes Ukrainians explode Jets deep in rebel territory.
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And let me guess - Syria destroyed all those gas weapons, deep within Syrian territory.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 01:02 AM
What do you mean? ISIS is already in Syria.
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I am suggesting that Isis is only a major threat to Syria when it takes over Iraq completely. If Syria and Iraq act unilaterally to destroy Isis I could see them being destroyed.

1. Iraq has no Military not any more.

2. http://www.aawsat.net/2014/07/article55334493

srs business all the U.S fault.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 01:03 AM
Yes Ukrainians explode Jets deep in rebel territory.
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And let me guess - Syria destroyed all those gas weapons, deep within Syrian territory.
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Nope they didn't.

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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 01:04 AM
Personally I want Putin to take Ukraine.

Its not in American interests that Russia do though.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 01:06 AM
I support Syria btw.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 01:06 AM
1. Iraq has no Military not any more.
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Source? I hardly believe so considering how little of Iraq they control.

srs business all the U.S fault.
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Yet there is nothing that implicates we should go back there. Doing so in my honest, opinion restarts the cycle. We SHOULD provide support to the governments through strategy advisings and weapons but I do not believe we should go to war.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 01:09 AM
Yes Isis has so little territory.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/17/article-0-1ED7921000000578-688_964x854.jpg

I heard the Iraqis ran like cowards and even ripped off there uniforms to avoid death. dropped there U.S weapons to.

Not saying they should go to war.

Just its on them and they may have no choice.
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JayyxC is not online. JayyxC
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23 Jul 2014 01:11 AM
"Conflict in Gaza"

In 2012 we gave Israel 3.015 billion dollars, if that's not helping I don't know what is.
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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 01:14 AM
"Conflict in Gaza"

In 2012 we gave Israel 3.015 billion dollars, if that's not helping I don't know what is.
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Not saying they need help.

Just pretend to care.
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JayyxC is not online. JayyxC
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23 Jul 2014 01:15 AM
"Just pretend to care."

Giving 3billion dollars in foreign aid isn't caring?
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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23 Jul 2014 01:15 AM
Yes Isis has so little territory.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#mediaviewer/File:Territorial_control_of_the_ISIS.svg

I rest my case. You say it is on us to make a choice I say that the middle east is a giant melting pot and we're better off letting it 'fizzle out'.

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Penaultimo is not online. Penaultimo
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23 Jul 2014 01:15 AM
To be honest I don't think the U.S military would be useful in a real war anymore anywhere anyway.
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