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Re: Personal beliefs on origin of universe?

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harlytnt is not online. harlytnt
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21 Jul 2014 09:16 PM
I'm an old-earth gap creationist. You?
Please respect other's beliefs.
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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21 Jul 2014 09:18 PM
the universe was formed by the big bang. what was before/what made the big bang, i dont know. probably the greatest mystery of the universe.
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anotheytraitii is not online. anotheytraitii
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21 Jul 2014 09:20 PM
Big Bang. Quantum mechanics likely behind it. Doesn't matter anyway. Why worry about something that's "impossible" to find out?
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Hearsay is not online. Hearsay
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21 Jul 2014 09:26 PM
My belief is that a deity created it, and this may have been in the form of a big bang.
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BobafrigginFeet is not online. BobafrigginFeet
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21 Jul 2014 09:28 PM
who cares?
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Scyblocks is not online. Scyblocks
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21 Jul 2014 09:56 PM
Who cares? [2]

Personally I believe it was created. How is the mystery.
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zadfad is not online. zadfad
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22 Jul 2014 01:28 AM
FLAMMEBAIT
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JayyxC is not online. JayyxC
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22 Jul 2014 01:31 AM
No way to prove that it was god, and no way to prove that it wasn't.
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MemphisBlues is not online. MemphisBlues
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22 Jul 2014 05:31 AM
MemphisBlues created the universe with his power of the memphis blues.
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Dulexo is not online. Dulexo
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22 Jul 2014 05:41 AM
lord god



otherwise we're just a small cell in a bigger world




discuss???????
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DuckD0nald is online. DuckD0nald
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22 Jul 2014 06:13 AM
It began.
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22 Jul 2014 07:34 AM
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Ithesportsbomb is not online. Ithesportsbomb
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22 Jul 2014 07:37 AM
I think if you look at all of the amazing creatures such as the Snow Fox that changes coat color to blend in with the seasons, or electric eels, or those fish with the lights in front of them... The list goes on; There must be a creator.
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brett3799 is not online. brett3799
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22 Jul 2014 07:57 AM
the big bang


inb4 moar god of the gaps
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Ithesportsbomb is not online. Ithesportsbomb
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22 Jul 2014 08:03 AM
@brett, The Big Bang theorizes that a microscopic atom just exploded and then came the universe over billions of years.

To me, an intelligent creator is more plausible than the Big Bang.
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shadow4155 is not online. shadow4155
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22 Jul 2014 08:05 AM
Big bang

also to all those saying that nothing can't come from something,

how did your god come from nothing, something had to create your god..

HM maybe Spode created your god.
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shadow4155 is not online. shadow4155
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22 Jul 2014 08:06 AM
"To me, an intelligent creator is more plausible than the Big Bang."

How so? That some random person showed up (that we don't know how he was made, I can use any argument you use about how did the big bang happen against you)

And then created the earth and all the other 1 million + planets and stars?

Also that there is no evidence what so ever to prove he is there/real?
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Ithesportsbomb is not online. Ithesportsbomb
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22 Jul 2014 08:10 AM
"How so? That some random person showed up"

Okay, then how did the atom just 'show up'.

"And then created the earth and all the other 1 million + planets and stars?"

Intelligent design. TO ME, its more believable than a miniscule atom bursting into the universe.

"Also that there is no evidence what so ever to prove he is there/real?"

NO PROOF, but archaeologists have dug up sites that align perfectly with the biblical stories of Noah and a couple others I can't mention on ROBLOX.
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shadow4155 is not online. shadow4155
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22 Jul 2014 08:16 AM
"Okay, then how did the atom just 'show up'.

Intelligent design. TO ME, its more believable than a miniscule atom bursting into the universe.

NO PROOF, but archaeologists have dug up sites that align perfectly with the biblical stories of Noah and a couple others I can't mention on ROBLOX."

Really, because there has been NO proof of any archaeologist findings that haven been proven fake or a hoax. So please share some sources.

Yes intelligent design, God literally makes people have terrible diseases and life illnesses, your saying that God purposely created my friends cousin with autism and terrible other diseases that will not only make her life terrible, but painful and never being able to actually life.

How did your god just show up? You try to dismiss my argument and return with another argument. This is Tu quoque, a logical fallacy. Another logical fallacy is you think the burden of proof is on me, when you have made the argument, I have refuted all of your arguments and I will continue when you actually anwser the question of

"Where did God come from?" Your previous argument implied that something CAN'T come from nothing, then how did something(God) come from nothing?
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shadow4155 is not online. shadow4155
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22 Jul 2014 08:18 AM
If you can't prove how God got here, the other argument has just as much proof.

If god can come from nothing, so can the universe.
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shadow4155 is not online. shadow4155
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22 Jul 2014 08:22 AM
also, typo in the first post, it is supposed to be 'live' not 'life'.

Before some grammar guy comes here.
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brett3799 is not online. brett3799
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22 Jul 2014 08:52 AM
>The Big Bang theorizes that a microscopic atom just exploded and then came the universe over billions of years.

you made the classic layman's mistake of seeing the big bang as an explosion...

in the begging the universe was a singularity like a black hole. Things like time space and matter did not exist. Nothing exists before the singularity. there is just that singularity, a point of infinite density but also infinite potential. physics as we know it it not exist ant this point. The singularity was governed by quantum physics. now quantum physics allows for events with trivially low chances of happening certain if something has infinite potential. this trivially low event was the creation of the Higgs boson happens to appear along with time, space and 3 dimensions. Now everything in the singularity has mass, space, time and 3 dimensions now the ball starts rolling. Inflation kicks in and space expands, The unified force breaks down. Matter forms, time starts acting on everything. The laws of physics come into play.


tl;dr causality did not exist before the big bang so asking what caused the big bang is a moot question. It did not need a cause, it just happened.
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JulianHallstrom is not online. JulianHallstrom
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22 Jul 2014 09:06 AM
A giant fluffy pink unicorn threw up and the universe began.
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Exonical is not online. Exonical
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22 Jul 2014 09:15 AM
you people should stop thinking that evolution and the big bang say anything about whether or not a creator made the universe. it's irrelevant.

Statistically speaking, there's a good chance that you're part of some organized religion (ex: christianity). If this is the case, you're not merely making the assumption that a creator *has* to have created the universe. You're also assuming that it's your creator.

Yes, one might, in all of our subjectivity, argue that the snow-fox is a fancy looking animal. But is that really relevant to the question: "oh do god(s) exist?"

The snow fox is like that because of the process of evolution. How complicated and/or 'cool' you think it is, is entirely subjective and doesn't really say anything about whether or not life was (originally) divinely created.

♜ "Even a broken clock is right twice a day"
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0Z0NE is not online. 0Z0NE
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22 Jul 2014 10:53 AM
i am a foxkin and i take great offense to your usage of the term "snow fox"
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