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| 20 Jul 2014 11:11 PM |
1- It flows incredibly well
Unlike every Sonic story after this, stuff happens. A lot of stuff, from the dark story, to the hero story, to the final story.
Eggman breaks into a military base - Eggman discovers the Ultimate Life Form - The Ultimate Life Form offers his services - Eggman discovers his grandfathers lost weapon capable of destroying the world - Eggman blows up THE GOD DAMN MOON
etc etc etc
2 - The steaks are constantly raising
What starts off as a simple story becomes so much more
Sonic must escape from the military - Sonic must find this mysterious black hedgehog working with Eggman - Sonic must go into space to save the world from being shot with a laser - Sonic must team up with his arch nemesis to save the world from utter annihilation
3- The roles change, but the characters don't
Usually, it Sonic and friends breaking into Eggmans base and the doctor running away. It now becomes Eggman breaks into the base and Sonic and his crew must run away, but the characters don't change.
Sonic is still a cocky teen Tails is still a genius young friend to Sonic Knuckles is still a temperamental yet loyal almost brother to Sonic
I could go on, really.
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:12 PM |
| Please tell me this is a joke |
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:13 PM |
@Kw
How would it not be amazing?
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:18 PM |
Such as...?
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:33 PM |
-They mistake Sonic for Shadow even with a clear picture of him.
-Random space shuttle even though Eggman has a teleporter to get there
-Sonic learns Chaos control by just watching Shadow do it once
-GUN records a death threat that tells about how the ark could destroy the world by crashing into it, but don't do anything about it.
-Gerald had enough time to reprogram Shadow to seek revenge upon humans after her granddaughters death, but when did he have that time?
-Also when did he have the time to program the ark to crash into earth after GUN's raid?
-Shadow dies(but they bring him back for the fans in later games) and Sonic is totally fine even though he was in the same place doing the same thing. |
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:37 PM |
-The military could easily make a cover up, considering they don't want many if any people to know about the ARK
- Always have more than one way in and out. If one fails, then you're screwed.
-Sonic is very experienced with the Chaos Emeralds, he's been using them since Sonic 1
- Gerald is a genius. He would be 500 steps ahead of the military, likely hacking their computers.
- He likely did it before the raid, knowing the military would pull the plug, since, ShadowTH is sadly canon, the Black Aliens intervened, causing the raid
- He programmed it to from the start. Again, when you're a genius, you're 500 steps ahead.
- Sonic has used his super state before. Shadow has not.
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:43 PM |
"-The military could easily make a cover up, considering they don't want many if any people to know about the ARK" But he looks nothing like Sonic, what are they? Racist against hedgehogs
"- Always have more than one way in and out. If one fails, then you're screwed." True
"-Sonic is very experienced with the Chaos Emeralds, he's been using them since Sonic 1" But he had no experience with Chaos control until this game.
"- Gerald is a genius. He would be 500 steps ahead of the military, likely hacking their computers." But he did that because his grandaughter died. How would he know that would happen?
"- He likely did it before the raid, knowing the military would pull the plug, since, ShadowTH is sadly canon, the Black Aliens intervened, causing the raid" He did it after her death.
"- He programmed it to from the start. Again, when you're a genius, you're 500 steps ahead." He did it after her death x2
"- Sonic has used his super state before. Shadow has not." But Sonic had less experience with Chaos control which they used to stop it.
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:50 PM |
"But he looks nothing like Sonic, what are they? Racist against hedgehogs" Sonic is what, 15? Not to mention the general public even in video games is ignorant, so for all they know he could be going throw a phase.
"But he had no experience with Chaos control until this game." Isn't going super using it, to a degree?
"But he did that because his grandaughter died. How would he know that would happen?"
She had a fatal disease, and likely a contagious one. That's the whole reason the ARK existed, to find a cure for that disease. Gerald likely knew eventually that there was none, and when Black Doom and G.U.N stepped in, boom.
"He did it after her death." He's a genius. He's 500 steps ahead of the military. After Black Doom, he knew his time was up. So he programmed the Ark and Revenge into Shadow.
"But Sonic had less experience with Chaos control which they used to stop it." More rings, main character immunity, more Chaos Energy due to his prolonged exposure to the Emeralds in previous games, all theories of mine
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| 20 Jul 2014 11:59 PM |
"Sonic is what, 15? Not to mention the general public even in video games is ignorant, so for all they know he could be going throw a phase." I guess, but why is it that gun went after sonic when they did know about Shadow?
"Isn't going super using it, to a degree?" Not at all, the only similar thing is they use the emeralds.
"She had a fatal disease, and likely a contagious one. That's the whole reason the ARK existed, to find a cure for that disease. Gerald likely knew eventually that there was none, and when Black Doom and G.U.N stepped in, boom." But that does not give him more time after Maria got shot for him to do that.
"He's a genius. He's 500 steps ahead of the military. After Black Doom, he knew his time was up. So he programmed the Ark and Revenge into Shadow." He was mad about someone shooting his grandaughter not about being captured
"More rings, main character immunity, more Chaos Energy due to his prolonged exposure to the Emeralds in previous games, all theories of mine" Curse that main character immunity |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:01 AM |
| Also if Eggman did win and he did shoot the lazer...What would he take over? |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:02 AM |
| Also how did Amy get on a secret MILITARY base in the middle of the ocean? |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:03 AM |
"I guess, but why is it that gun went after sonic when they did know about Shadow?"
My guess of military cover up still remains.
"Not at all, the only similar thing is they use the emeralds." They both make use of their energy
"But that does not give him more time after Maria got shot for him to do that." I guess G.U.N. said if such and such events occur, we will destroy this facility.
"He was mad about someone shooting his grandaughter not about being captured"
And both parties were against him, so, he of course went made and decided to destroy the planet were Black Doom intended to build his new home world, and if that failed, with his last sanity, he designed the Eclipse Cannon to be capable of destroying the black comet
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:04 AM |
"Also if Eggman did win and he did shoot the lazer...What would he take over?" I'm guessing it wouldn't blow up the Earth, but make it a waste land, where he could obviously build Eggman Land.
As for Amy, I'm guessing she's involved with the military due to her helping defeat Perfect Chaos
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:10 AM |
"My guess of military cover up still remains."
They both make use of their energy True, but he also used a fake emerald in which was a lot less powerful
"I guess G.U.N. said if such and such events occur, we will destroy this facility." I really doubt this would have made a man have a plan to destroy the world. (He wasn't insane until he found out Maria was killed which is where he seeked revenge)
"And both parties were against him, so, he of course went made and decided to destroy the planet were Black Doom intended to build his new home world, and if that failed, with his last sanity, he designed the Eclipse Cannon to be capable of destroying the black comet" This wasn't the reason for him doing that.
Also with STH logic the commander of gun knew about Shadow and wanted revenge against him, so why didn't he destroy him when gun had him? Also why did he go after Sonic?
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:13 AM |
"I'm guessing it wouldn't blow up the Earth, but make it a waste land, where he could obviously build Eggman Land." But it wouldn't be a wasteland it would be rubble in space that would not be repairable.
"As for Amy, I'm guessing she's involved with the military due to her helping defeat Perfect Chaos" She gave Sonic an emerald she didn't actually do anything, and also Sonic defeated Perfect Chaos and he was sent to prison. |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:19 AM |
"True, but he also used a fake emerald in which was a lot less powerful" Its exact power is never mentioned, but Tails says it has the same wavelength and properties as the real one
"I really doubt this would have made a man have a plan to destroy the world. (He wasn't insane until he found out Maria was killed which is where he seeked revenge)"
He knew that with an evil alien race in the mix, the government was going to do something, so just like the US government it acted as the worlds police force and killed everyone on board, and since Maria had the fatal disease, it didn't help everyone on board was likely infected save for Shadow, who was designed to be immune from it
"This wasn't the reason for him doing that." ShadowTH is sadly cannon, so Black Doom did play a major roll in it.
"Also with STH logic the commander of gun knew about Shadow and wanted revenge against him, so why didn't he destroy him when gun had him?"
History has taught us that governments like to cover things up and make dumb decisions. Keeping Shadow locked up, probably trying to use him to their advantage or something.
"Also why did he go after Sonic?" 1. I dunno if he was the commander during SA2 2. Military cover up
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:20 AM |
"She gave Sonic an emerald she didn't actually do anything, and also Sonic defeated Perfect Chaos and he was sent to prison."
She helped destroy the Egg Carrier, so that's....something. Plus Amy doesn't have a super state, so it's hard to mistake her for anyone, since S. Sonic and Shadow look similar in structure
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:31 AM |
Its exact power is never mentioned, but Tails says it has the same wavelength and properties as the real one How would he make something that could have a fraction of the chaos emeralds power? They have unlimited power.
"He knew that with an evil alien race in the mix, the government was going to do something, so just like the US government it acted as the worlds police force and killed everyone on board, and since Maria had the fatal disease, it didn't help everyone on board was likely infected save for Shadow, who was designed to be immune from it" But he said he did it after Maria died so none of that matters.
ShadowTH is sadly cannon, so Black Doom did play a major roll in it. ANd with that game cannon there are even more plotholes.
"Also with STH logic the commander of gun knew about Shadow and wanted revenge against him, so why didn't he destroy him when gun had him?"
History has taught us that governments like to cover things up and make dumb decisions. Keeping Shadow locked up, probably trying to use him to their advantage or something. So
"Also why did he go after Sonic?" 1. I dunno if he was the commander during SA2 2. Military cover up Also he is the leader of the people that killed Mario. Also he was on the ARK, and he didn't have the disease. |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:37 AM |
"How would he make something that could have a fraction of the chaos emeralds power? They have unlimited power." His IQ is equal to Eggman's
"But he said he did it after Maria died so none of that matters." He programmed to do it after a certain amount events, I guess. Maria and Eggman are cousins, so since he knew the young Doc looked up to him, he would be mad enough to collect the emeralds.
"ANd with that game cannon there are even more plotholes." More of inconsistencies due to the different writers
"So" They would keep Shadow if they ever needed him
"Also he is the leader of the people that killed Mario. Also he was on the ARK, and he didn't have the disease." I'm not genetics expert, but maybe since he was so young he built an immunity to it, or he did have it and it eventually died. As far as being the commander of G.U.N., that'll I give you.
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:44 AM |
His IQ is equal to Eggman's Then why did Eggman not just make his own power supply in older games? Would be a lot easier then trying to find the real ones.
"He programmed to do it after a certain amount events, I guess. Maria and Eggman are cousins, so since he knew the young Doc looked up to him, he would be mad enough to collect the emeralds." What did that have to do with what I said?
"More of inconsistencies due to the different writers" You are using an inconsistent game to make sense of these plotholes which adds even more plotholes to this story.
"They would keep Shadow if they ever needed him" I guess, but they try to kill him after.
"I'm not genetics expert, but maybe since he was so young he built an immunity to it, or he did have it and it eventually died. As far as being the commander of G.U.N., that'll I give you." Younger people have a harder time fighting off diseases |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:45 AM |
| Also a good story should explain these details so the audience isn't confused. Unless it's a story that is supposed to confuse the audience until the ending makes sense of it all. (Which this story doesn't do) |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:46 AM |
"Then why did Eggman not just make his own power supply in older games? Would be a lot easier then trying to find the real ones." Because infinite power > limited power
"What did that have to do with what I said?" Everything
"You are using an inconsistent game to make sense of these plotholes which adds even more plotholes to this story." Hardly, it closes more plot points if anything.
"I guess, but they try to kill him after." Because he destroyed cities and helped blow up the moon and all
"Younger people have a harder time fighting off diseases"
Damn genetic structures, you and your tricks
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:51 AM |
"Because infinite power > limited power" I guess, but even a fraction of the chaos emeralds power could power anything.
"Everything" But it doesn't give him more time after the raid to do this stuff, which is when he did it.
"Hardly, it closes more plot points if anything." Not really, it puts more confusion into both stories.
"Because he destroyed cities and helped blow up the moon and all" Also, why did they keep the giant death ray there and not destroy it again?
"damn genetic structures, you and your tricks" Yep |
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| 21 Jul 2014 12:54 AM |
"I guess, but even a fraction of the chaos emeralds power could power anything." I'm guessing it was a mistranslation (such as is that what chaos control is) and was meant to be like, "it's less powerful than the real emerald, but its properties are similar."
"But it doesn't give him more time after the raid to do this stuff, which is when he did it." The ARK is HUGE, he could easily hide in any one of the rooms
"Not really, it puts more confusion into both stories." I can make sense of most of it, even if it is just speculation and theories.
"Also, why did they keep the giant death ray there and not destroy it again?" Because the Black Aliens, AKA ShadowTH had to be made
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