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Re: Some issues I've found with VS are:

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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
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16 Jul 2014 10:58 AM
(this is really for my own purpose, but feel free to comment on points or add anything if you want. that's why I left it unlocked)

-Nothing state of the art that displays technological or architectural advancement in attempt to bring in members at the moment

-Ads are fairly inconsistent, leading to members loss, than regain which keeps VS at a, normally, steady member count

-The high ranks are entirely indecisive, and can hardly agree on topics or agree to work together on a reform that could potentially fix VS (like to argue a lot as well)

-Members aren't creative enough in giving ideas, and are more focused on earning promotions (possibly due to the age level that is attracted?)

-Most high ranks are in second gear due to nothing interesting them

I'm still confused as to which one is most important to fix, as they all seem equally as important to me.

please give legit feedback (I know these forums can get tiring, feel free not to respond if you're tired of them)
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Gotrektyet is not online. Gotrektyet
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16 Jul 2014 11:00 AM
and the fort
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TheKnightOfChaos is not online. TheKnightOfChaos
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16 Jul 2014 11:01 AM
I think tech is most important, everything else but ads will be fixed with proper attention-grabbing tech.
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Inquisitions is not online. Inquisitions
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16 Jul 2014 11:01 AM
VS sucks...simple.
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CIocksmith is not online. CIocksmith
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16 Jul 2014 11:02 AM
@inq
lmfao


VS > TSD
stop just stop

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Lucara is not online. Lucara
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16 Jul 2014 11:02 AM
and the fort [2]
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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
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16 Jul 2014 11:03 AM
"and the fort"

new one in the process apparently, didn't know this until a few nights ago

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"I think tech is most important"

You're correct, tech is super important. Our new gun models are finished, but I'm not sure what's holding them back from being released...

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Aceylos is not online. Aceylos
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16 Jul 2014 11:03 AM
problem 9000)
- your high ranks decide to ban me for 'exploiting' when all I'm doing was playing the game and rekking all ur members
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JamalMarley is not online. JamalMarley
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16 Jul 2014 11:03 AM
I don't really know what Lilly does for the clan, but since nothing good came from VS since she took over, I assume there needs to be a leader change.

The base is bad too.
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pspjohn1 is not online. pspjohn1
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16 Jul 2014 11:05 AM
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
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Inquisitions is not online. Inquisitions
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16 Jul 2014 11:05 AM
@ciock

Its not TSD, its me at the moment.
I'm trying to improve.

But flaming me over and over doesn't help me get better.
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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
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16 Jul 2014 11:08 AM
"VS sucks...simple."

throughout my time of hearing 'VS sucks' I can truly say that not once has it helped me progress VS.

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"the fort is bad"

hopefully the new one on the way will be better.
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Aceylos is not online. Aceylos
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16 Jul 2014 11:08 AM
another problem with VS is that you come to C&G and give us a history about your problems and expect us to give you ideas on how to fix them.
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teslobo is not online. teslobo
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16 Jul 2014 11:09 AM
"-Nothing state of the art that displays technological or architectural advancement in attempt to bring in members at the moment"
Well we can blame VS Dev for not doing anything.

"-Ads are fairly inconsistent, leading to members loss, than regain which keeps VS at a, normally, steady member count"
Stop the ads for a second and make some consistent ones, I've got a concept if you want to read the 20 page document. Ad designs are in there somewhere.

"-The high ranks are entirely indecisive, and can hardly agree on topics or agree to work together on a reform that could potentially fix VS (like to argue a lot as well)"
To be honest, you're kind of a prime example of this. This is a reform that, from what I hear, was proposed by you and chibi, accepted by Lilly and resented by every other HR. They were not even given a say in it, apparently, and are pretty upset about it.

"-Members aren't creative enough in giving ideas, and are more focused on earning promotions (possibly due to the age level that is attracted?)"
We'd love to give input and suggestions for projects but nobody ever knows about a project until it's finished (i.e vulcan 4.0).

"-Most high ranks are in second gear due to nothing interesting them"
If nothing is interesting, isn't it a priority to make it interesting? i don't know about you, but having to go to some website and put numbers in a spreadsheet after every training is not exactly raising the fun factor.

"I'm still confused as to which one is most important to fix, as they all seem equally as important to me."
If they are all as equally important to a single person, is a democratic vote not in order to find what the majority find important?
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Orlex is not online. Orlex
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16 Jul 2014 11:10 AM
It seems your communication is bad considering you just found out a new fort is coming out soon.
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webspace is not online. webspace
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16 Jul 2014 11:10 AM
another problem is lilly still wont sf me 1v1 in a ucr v vs final battle


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adrien99 is not online. adrien99
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16 Jul 2014 11:13 AM
I don't really know what Lilly does for the clan, but since nothing good came from VS since she took over, I assume there needs to be a leader change. [2]
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TheKnightOfChaos is not online. TheKnightOfChaos
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16 Jul 2014 11:14 AM
Let me branch off of what Orlex said, but it a nicer way.

I think the problem with the HiCOM being indecisive is lack of communication. Does VS have a TS3, Skype chatroom, or anything? Are you in constant contact with Lilly?

I think communication trumps any form technology or skill your posses. (in contrary to my previous response)

So work on communication, technology, then advertisements.

VS is a good clan, don't do anything to change that.

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Masterwarrior1111 is not online. Masterwarrior1111
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16 Jul 2014 11:16 AM
VS isn't fun now. When JGA1 owned it defending was fun and you enjoyed it.


-Masterwarrior11 the Great
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Orlex is not online. Orlex
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16 Jul 2014 11:16 AM
A nicer way? That doesn't seem like a particularly rude comment, it was meant as a straightforward and honest take on this situation.
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teslobo is not online. teslobo
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16 Jul 2014 11:16 AM
"I think the problem with the HiCOM being indecisive is lack of communication. Does VS have a TS3, Skype chatroom, or anything? Are you in constant contact with Lilly?"

There is a TS3, HiCom skype and even a lot of the LRs have Lilly on XF.
Like I said in my post, they choose not to inform people of things like new forts. It shouldn't happen, but it always has.
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adrien99 is not online. adrien99
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16 Jul 2014 11:17 AM
the base is ok but it's not really fun to raid.
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teslobo is not online. teslobo
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16 Jul 2014 11:19 AM
I can't say it's fun to defend, either.
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Stattrak is not online. Stattrak
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16 Jul 2014 11:21 AM
Lilly doesn't come on xf anymore
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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
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16 Jul 2014 11:21 AM
"another problem with VS is that you come to C&G and give us a history about your problems and expect us to give you ideas on how to fix them."

refer to the top when I said this is mainly my own purpose in order to log my thoughts, and events that are happening

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"To be honest, you're kind of a prime example of this. This is a reform that, from what I hear, was proposed by you and chibi, accepted by Lilly and resented by every other HR. They were not even given a say in it, apparently, and are pretty upset about it."

yes they were, I spent three hours out of my night in mid-June and talked about topics that needed reforming in the HR chat. they all had a chance to input what they believe needs to be changed. A good portion of the topics changed were suggested by the high ranks, and agreed upon by Lilly.

thanks for all your responses though, Tes. I'd like to see that document you whipped up whenever you have time, though?

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"It seems your communication is bad considering you just found out a new fort is coming out soon."

no, I've heard it brought up in the HR chat, but didn't know it was actually authorized by Lilly to be created. sorry if I worded that wrong.

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"I think the problem with the HiCOM being indecisive is lack of communication. Does VS have a TS3, Skype chatroom, or anything? Are you in constant contact with Lilly?"

There's a VS:HR chat currently, but most of the conversation is off-topic, goofing around. A lot of the high ranks fight in this chat, which causes division between them.

We do have a TS3, but is rarely utilized unless the high ranks are playing steam games, or it's being showed off in the shout.

I come in contact with Lilly every day, while she's a busy girl, she sometimes forgets to respond. I have no problem with that though, she can take her time.

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@comments about the base

I'll try to do my best to make sure that the new base has ideas suggested by the community, VS members, and the high ranks. I'm sure we will all find common ground.
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