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Re: my reason why vak probably doesn't use allies

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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 01:47 AM
well first of all

vak wants to fight the people they declared war on.

if vak did allow allies, there will more likely have to come up with some agreement that allies should count as a one defending member to make a server group official

vak doesn't want to fight other people, vak wants to fight the people they declared war on.

and also vak has no allies (vac is not an ally, it's basically an academy and part of the vaktovian empire)


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LegendSoul12 is not online. LegendSoul12
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14 Jul 2014 01:50 AM
well, make yourself another unity-style clan like in tgi :)
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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 01:52 AM
@legend

that really would not work out

most clans that try to be like vak either is inactive, bad, or hates us


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Kuznetsky is not online. Kuznetsky
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14 Jul 2014 01:52 AM
is frost clan really going to try and lean on their allies shoulder for this war
i mean, come on, frost clan was extremely cocky on the forums during preparations and they're going to try this?

what happened to frost superiority?

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Resalth is not online. Resalth
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14 Jul 2014 01:53 AM
The only superiority FC has is their years with bows. O_O
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LegendSoul12 is not online. LegendSoul12
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14 Jul 2014 01:53 AM
Think, I mean
there's many clan that ARE active.
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dracomanx is not online. dracomanx
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14 Jul 2014 01:53 AM
@OP
VAC are allies technically and so why cant FC use allies? "Empire academy" does not matter, FC can just make TGI its academy :3
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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 01:53 AM
@kuz

you already noticed how when people were getting hyped for the war with fc, they claimed they will be joining fc to help out


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VektrinCallic is not online. VektrinCallic
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14 Jul 2014 01:54 AM
let me tell you from 1st hand experience, with my group that was in the vak dominion

the other groups were treated like trash, vak flammed us

to get into the smo base when on allies, you had to be second or third in command, while in return they could just waltz right into our bases because we invited them in

one time, dear 'ol barry1234 decided to join iom, my group, i was at the fort, and asked everyone to line up, i ask barry to line up, he refuses, i ask him again, he resets, has on vak officer uniform, and goes on allies

my group was the first to leave the dominion, after that sc left, raa left, and the other 3 eventually left

horrible idea, vak can't play nice or work well with others

lets tusl (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง
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DemonTitan is online. DemonTitan
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14 Jul 2014 01:55 AM
@draco, no they are "not allies technically".
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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 01:56 AM
@draco

not really.

first, what clan would want to give up their superiority to become an academy for a group that is obviously weaker than them?

second, i already mentioned how vac is part of the vaktovian empire.

third, i already mentioned how annoying it would be going against people not defending for fc, but just for their pleasure to destroy vak


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VektrinCallic is not online. VektrinCallic
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14 Jul 2014 01:56 AM
demon, that get-up is op

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Kuznetsky is not online. Kuznetsky
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14 Jul 2014 01:56 AM
no, vak's not very nice to their allies and gh's negotiation skills are far below par for the position he's in but

it's not time for FC to come in and say "since we're using them, how about you restart unity?!"

it should be/needs to be a clean war >only< between fc and vak

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DemonTitan is online. DemonTitan
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14 Jul 2014 01:57 AM
@Vektrin, sadly most of that is true because I witnessed it most of the time.
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LegendSoul12 is not online. LegendSoul12
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14 Jul 2014 02:00 AM
alright, ill ask jjjakey if he'd agree with that
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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 02:01 AM
@vek

well, barry is gone now

and you can easily exile him for not following orders.

@kuz

it's not really gannex's negotiation skill that needs work, it's really their's

think about it.

gannex had most of the say into it. fc barely done anything to stop it.

and i agree about a clean war between fc and vak, but vac is part of vak.

fc you can just allow anyone in. vac you have to do a hard obby, send a good application, make their way up, get mentored, and passed a graduation test in order to get in vak.

think if how fc made all their warriors into an academy, and they have to deal with the same thing every vac does.


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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 02:02 AM
please don't make this a flame war

this is just a place to express opinions


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VektrinCallic is not online. VektrinCallic
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14 Jul 2014 02:03 AM
"well, barry is gone now

and you can easily exile him for not following orders."

i know, thank the lord

but if i exiled him, he would have gotten butt-hurt and the ally would have ended that much faster

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dracomanx is not online. dracomanx
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14 Jul 2014 02:04 AM
@Flam
You are giving the same VAK excuse for using VAC

What if FC makes an academy and everybody joins in? Point is VAC is an ally either way, and this where most problems come from.

I dont think you know debate =/
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spongispecter is not online. spongispecter
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14 Jul 2014 02:04 AM
so if tgi is an ally then tag isnt
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HailMario is not online. HailMario
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14 Jul 2014 02:11 AM
let's just remember that

jjjaket prroposed that our allies will count as 1 defender

gannex agreed

then when jjj told him to make vac count as 1 defender, he flipped out

okay...
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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 02:12 AM
@draco

why doesn't fc do it then?

make every warrior part of an academy

but it's dead obvious that vac is part of the vaktovian empire

and it's also saying that if vac can't attend, you are basically saying all the officers, trainers, generals, and even vaktus can't defend?

they are in vac, so


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Resalth is not online. Resalth
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14 Jul 2014 02:13 AM
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well flam, they're a super clan and - members
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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 02:14 AM
@hail

well that's easy

if vac counts as 1 defender, of course he would flip out

allies could be bad or good, allies being count as 1 would be smart, but making not a fully blown vaktovian count as a defender doesn't make sense


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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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14 Jul 2014 02:15 AM
@resalth

vak is a powerclan, you are basically saying to remove 75% of the vaktovian empire


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