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Re: Sorry, Mods, but that thread proves our point

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Verodoxys is not online. Verodoxys
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03 Jul 2014 02:49 PM
Our point being that you don't view us, a LARGE portion of the users of your website, as one of the priorities.

Not to mention that the whole idea is flawed, and some is just flat-out incorrect.

I'll show you why.

1. "..voted Vortex Security as the most prestigious clan on Roblox.."

Just so I don't get this wrong, I'll use this definition of prestigious:

pres·tig·ious
preˈstijəs,-ˈstē-/Submit
adjective
inspiring respect and admiration; having high status.

I asked C&G what they thought of when asked what the most prestigious clans were, and while it varies a little bit person-to-person (Obviously, dependent on which clans they hold to be more prestigious themselves), but there's a recurring theme among those answers:

It isn't VS.

The ones that I'm seeing are clans like WIJ, RAT, VAK, TGI, FC, etc. There's tons of respected clans, and tons that are respected more than VS.

I'm fairly certain that you guys, the Mods (and anyone supporting their decision) are going to make the same point Lilly did;

"No, seriously, C&G has been a cesspool of idiocy and immaturity for far too long and it's about time you kids got in line. The reason the administrators like VS so much is because we're quiet, we keep to ourselves, and we don't go around posting vile image links of little girls who get fooled twice (shame on her)."

Here's the thing, though. The people who act like morons constantly are C&Gers, NOT IMPORTANT MEMBERS OF EXCELLENT CLANS.

And, one more thing about that quote:

"The reason the administrators like VS so much is because we're quiet, we keep to ourselves.."

The reason VS keeps to themselves, and is very rarely in the clan world's spotlight (aside from now), is because they're inactive for a clan of their size, both forum-wise and training- and raiding-wise.



2. "..and a war group above all others."

While the first one I made is opinion-based (but not completely), this one is just flat out incorrect.

You'd think, just as saying "x is the best y" is opinion-based, this would be, as well. But, it's not. There are ways to determine the best clan.

Is VS the most active clan? No. There are plenty of clans getting equal or better (sometimes 200% better) activity.

Is VS the strongest clan (in the sense of clan wars)? Not even close. The last time VS won a significant war is not even close to fresh in our memory.

Is VS the largest clan? Nope, they're in 3rd place, but that's still ~50,000 members behind the largest, FEAR.

Is VS the best clan according to ROBLOX'S OWN LEADERBOARD OF PLAYER AND CLAN POINTS? No. They are not in 1st, place, 10th place, and they're NOT EVEN WITHIN THE TOP 2,350 CLANS according to this leaderboard.



3. "Their leader, imnotaguestimagirl is hereby declared the ROBLOX Ambassador of Clans to Admins of ROBLOX."

..What?

A leader who isn't seen as the best leader of a clan that isn't seen as the best clan is our official ambassador?

I've attacked VS and their leader enough already, though. I'll focus on this position rather than who holds it.

I'll use this definition of ambassador:

am·bas·sa·dor
amˈbasədər,-ˌdôr/Submit
noun
a person who acts as a representative or promoter of a specified activity.

Assuming the specified activity is participating in clans..

This CANNOT end well.

Assuming ROBLOX's clan ambassador's job is to get information from us, the clan world, to ROBLOX HQ, having someone who's part of one specific part of the clan world in that position is a horrible, HORRIBLE idea.

Why?

Bias.

It's totally possible that someone in that position could act biased towards their own clan, or other groups/people they favor, or against clans/groups/people they dislike.

What happens when VS goes to war with a clan? Will Lilly act perfectly unbiased? No. Of course not. The reason bias is a problem is because it's a) unavoidable in this situation and b) not possible to overlook.

Oh, and it gets worse.

Getting information to go from us, the clan world, to you, the Mods, through an ambassador relies on us being able to give them information that is unbiased, statistical and generally correct.

If you're getting the idea, you see that the bias in this system is not solely coming from the ambassador. It's totally possible that we could be biased against Lilly, because, as the clan world continues to prove, every one of us has individual biases against and for different people and groups in the clan world, and once this bias is here, it's impossible to forget about.

Because the system relies on us being unbiased against the ambassador, it won't work. A small amount of bias is bad; This is an impossible plan.



So, assuming you agree with me on at least some of this, you'll likely think "What's the solution?" It's unwise of me to direct the admins, but I think it's a good idea to let you know what I think would work.

1. Make ROBLOX unbiased towards all clans.

This would mean removing VS as the "most prestigious", and removing that position entirely. Doing so will allow you to see to the clan world as a whole, rather than through one specific area of the clan world.

2. Remove the position of ambassador, and use ROBLOX employees to listen to us directly; No third party necessary.

This is perhaps the more important part of my plan. It removes that bias that goes between the ambassador and us and vice versa, and lets information flow both ways, uncensored and unobstructed.



If that idea is not favorable for you, then here's another:

Ask the clan world (NOT just C&G) who they see as the most prestigious clans, and elect a large number of ambassadors (I'd imagine 75 would do well) to act as the midpoint between us.



I hope that, even if you ignore my advice on replacement concepts, you realize that I, and a large majority of clan members, are unhappy with this decision, and work on a concept that works for both the clan world and you guys over at ROBLOX.

Verodoxys
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hammer124 is not online. hammer124
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03 Jul 2014 02:50 PM
just about read it all.

support and good job.
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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03 Jul 2014 02:50 PM
DUDE HE WAS TROLLING YOU OMG!!!!

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pspjohnjuan is not online. pspjohnjuan
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03 Jul 2014 02:50 PM
support

there not gonna read this all tho
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03 Jul 2014 02:52 PM
good thread 10/10
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03 Jul 2014 02:55 PM
support
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03 Jul 2014 02:55 PM
SUPPORT.
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03 Jul 2014 02:57 PM
10/10
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03 Jul 2014 02:57 PM
holy
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03 Jul 2014 02:58 PM
doesn't matter if he was trolling us or not i still support this thread


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dudeshark is not online. dudeshark
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03 Jul 2014 02:58 PM
support


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03 Jul 2014 02:58 PM
You wasted too much time replying to a troll.
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Verodoxys is not online. Verodoxys
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03 Jul 2014 02:59 PM
1,029 words?

Is that enough?
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03 Jul 2014 02:59 PM
support

+999 respect ok
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03 Jul 2014 02:59 PM
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Growncool8 is not online. Growncool8
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03 Jul 2014 02:59 PM
Read it, and support it.
Very well thought out, would work well if b1tsh1ft ends up not trolling

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Verodoxys is not online. Verodoxys
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03 Jul 2014 03:01 PM
If this thread gets deleted, I'll reword and repost.
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03 Jul 2014 03:03 PM
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03 Jul 2014 03:05 PM
I read this all.
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Verodoxys is not online. Verodoxys
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03 Jul 2014 03:11 PM
Heading to the doctor. I trust you guys to keep this bumped until an admin sees this and, if they reply, to act like an intelligent human being towards them.
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dudeshark is not online. dudeshark
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03 Jul 2014 03:11 PM
rekt


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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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03 Jul 2014 03:12 PM
B1t has probably already read this so if he replies that's his choice.

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03 Jul 2014 03:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eX3AcRIBUo
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Sed44hacked is not online. Sed44hacked
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03 Jul 2014 03:12 PM
Read all of it.
10/10.
Mods should read this.
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Darkripper209 is not online. Darkripper209
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03 Jul 2014 03:13 PM
bump and support
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