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Re: Clan Wars: How we can fix them and stuff.

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Dimste is not online. Dimste
Joined: 07 Feb 2013
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29 Jun 2014 01:25 PM
So I've recently been noticing that wars aren't fun anymore because clans are doing more than admin abusing in wars unlike 2012 and early/mid 2013.

I made a thread asking for what people have seen clans do during a war that makes it not fun.

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=138623755

So..here we go.

(tl;dr quit being pansies by pulling BS, grow a pair, and fight fairly so there can be a war where a winner is decided)

#1. Refusing to defend your fort

If you're going to refuse to defend your fort, shut your clan down. This is absolutely pathetic, and I could not care what the numbers are. No, the raiders cannot ESR anymore like 2012 and earlier because clans have now been able to excel themselves to the point where pretty much EVERYONE knows how to make a requirement for members in their bases. It's frequent the raiding faction that flooded your base dismisses people so that you can get in the server. We as a community are advancing ourselves, and we're almost to the point where we can't think of anything else to make ourselves better, which is why there is little innovation. Let me give you a scenario here: a developer as good as Unclear is debating whether to come into clans. He joins a clan, and attends a raid. Of course with clans not being as active as they once were, the clan he is in floods the server. No one comes. His clan raids another, they don't come. Do you think he'll really develop for said clan he's in when stuff like this is happening everywhere else?

It's repetitive, boring, and a bad example. Either use your fort, or get rid of it and shut down.

#2. Defensive wins

Defensive wins are uncommon but apparently still a thing. I can't imagine what sort of clan would think defensive wins are logical at all, but whatever.

I've had experience with a clan that counted defensive wins, Prima Nox. I'll just list this story as my reasoning as to why defensive wins are for those who can't raid and what not rather than writing an even LONGER explanation.

So TSD invades PN for the start of their war. There are around ... 4 servers I think? TSD manages to get into 3, and some other clone trooper clan raids the other. There were two TSD in that server as well, and the clone troopers pulled out, and the TSD got into other servers. PN counted that as a defensive victory. They never raided our base -- they never even scouted it.

I don't think there's much more that has to be said.

Raiding was invented for a reason, please do it and not have the battle on one ground. That's unfair to the opposing side.

#3. Unfair bases

Alright, so I honestly don't think any base is unfair besides the exception of RIC and SMO.

Allow me to give those with unfair bases tips on how they can make theirs more enjoyable to raid.

1. If you have a big base, make it smaller unless you have vehicles that can travel fast. The simpler and smaller the base, the more enjoyable it is.
2. If you really do have better weapons than the raiders, fix it or continue to get a bad reputation.
3. I don't know what else. As I've said, the only unfair bases I've raided are RIC and SMO. I don't consider a minor spawn advantage unfair.

#4. Admin abuse

Admin abuse is caused by rules at forts. Most of the rules I see at forts are really dumb, so I'll be listing some rules I see and giving alternate solutions rather than kicking/banning someone/a team from your base so that your reputation doesn't go further downhill.

"There must be a high rank present to raid"

This is why you have trainings. Teach your soldiers what to do during a defense, don't pamper them. If you want to be another useless clan that's unoriginal and uses SFT's, 'faces,' and what not as training, that's fine; teach your soldiers nothing. But don't blame it on the raiders that you yourselves suck and that you need a high rank at your fort

"No uniform raiding"

I'm sure there's the most simplistic scripter out there who can script you can write you a script so that anyone who wears your uniform while raiding is kicked/banned. Or do what TRICON will be doing, make them permanently wear something stupid at your base. B^)

"No flaming"

If you're as insecure enough to kick someone for flaming, here's your solution.

Go to the menu button.
Hit "Report Abuse."
Then submit your report to the player that flamed you. If ROBLOX thinks that what they said is bad, they'll ban them.

If they call you an idiot and you ban them for it, I'm sorry but that just proves their point. I don't care how "damaged" you are or how much you get bullied at school. It's the internet, you're bound to get flamed. Plus I'm sure you've got plenty of spunk to flame the person that you banned after they've told C&G about it, don't you kid?

"Admins are allowed to make rules up as they go"

I've unfortunately seen this at bases. Not by good clans though, so that should sum up why your clan sucks if you have this at your fort. But if you really have this at your fort, then remove it. I don't have any argument against this because you're literally too stupid to debate with.

"No spawnkilling"

HEY DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT NEAT THING ROBLOX ADDED? YEAH, IT'S CALLED FORCEFIELDS. INTERNET EXPLORER TOLD ME.

..GOOGLE CHROME? WHAT'S THAT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otm4RusESNU

Alright, and that's it. Let me know if you have anything else in a war you've seen/experienced that is total BS, and I will give a solution/debate with the reasoning.

- Cyrus Thane
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Resalth is not online. Resalth
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29 Jun 2014 01:25 PM
k
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Exponentiation is not online. Exponentiation
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29 Jun 2014 01:25 PM
amen
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DarknessRepeats is not online. DarknessRepeats
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29 Jun 2014 01:27 PM
TVE doesn't interfere anything here, which is good.

I also dislike gamepasses, must say. The whole bs excuse that "BUT YOU CAN BUY IT TOO!!!!" because OBVIOUSLY more soldiers on the defending side will have it. I just hate them.

~LV
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BGSB is not online. BGSB
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29 Jun 2014 01:27 PM
C&G is dead.
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EnigmaPenguin is not online. EnigmaPenguin
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29 Jun 2014 01:28 PM
"#3. Unfair bases"

so i remember tsd.......
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Archangelum is not online. Archangelum
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29 Jun 2014 01:28 PM
Agreed.
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Dimste is not online. Dimste
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29 Jun 2014 01:28 PM
I only find gamepasses unfair if they give a higher walkspeed or a very OP weapon.

Everything else is fine to me.

- Cyrus Thane
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alexdiego is not online. alexdiego
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29 Jun 2014 01:29 PM
+1
y arent they fun :(
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AK47pwned3 is not online. AK47pwned3
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29 Jun 2014 01:29 PM
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Dimste is not online. Dimste
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29 Jun 2014 01:29 PM
@Enigma

Yes, but towards the end FMS was pretty fair. The current version is the latest one we updated in the original TSD.

- Cyrus Thane
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TheOriginalElmerz is not online. TheOriginalElmerz
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29 Jun 2014 01:29 PM
AMEN
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perpetualbob1234 is not online. perpetualbob1234
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29 Jun 2014 01:29 PM
Approved.
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GhostFigure is not online. GhostFigure
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29 Jun 2014 01:29 PM
Full support.
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Dimste is not online. Dimste
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29 Jun 2014 01:29 PM
@AK

Add me on xf (dimste) and I'll tell you.

- Cyrus Thane
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Do1ogan is not online. Do1ogan
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29 Jun 2014 01:30 PM
approved
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awesomoshane is not online. awesomoshane
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29 Jun 2014 01:30 PM
hallelujah
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Dimste is not online. Dimste
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29 Jun 2014 01:34 PM
I'm going to be watching for hypocrites too.

Example.

TheOriginal, you support this, but you have:

»Empty server raiding will result in ban, there must 5 Team Domino members at Fort Aamon for it to be official.
»Try not to flame, let's keep it clean.

These two rules at your base.

perpetual, this rule is at RB's base.

- No pre-flooding the server (do not bring your troops before there are 5 Royal Blood members in the server, also take a screenshot of the leaderboard to show there were 5 official Royal Blood members present)

Darkness, you have these rules at your base.

-Admin must be at raid
-No Uniform Raiding
-No excessive flame

You might want to fix these rules before you can thank me. Make a change today and walk the walk, rather than talk the talk. You want to show your support? Fix these.

- Cyrus Thane
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alexdiego is not online. alexdiego
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29 Jun 2014 01:35 PM
what is a hypocrit?
xtra damage
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pistoffgoth is not online. pistoffgoth
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29 Jun 2014 01:36 PM
I agree with most of this.

C7G Night Owl ~Steamsport 1 day banned because roblox moderation is bad~
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Dimste is not online. Dimste
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29 Jun 2014 01:37 PM
Shutup AlexR

- Cyrus Thane
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HopeOfRome is not online. HopeOfRome
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29 Jun 2014 01:38 PM
clans will never follow this, because this is a children's game. if we had mature people on here that could grow a pair and fight fairly, then this would be the norm

solution: wars r dumb have FBs noob
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BGSB is not online. BGSB
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29 Jun 2014 01:39 PM
hope
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alexdiego is not online. alexdiego
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29 Jun 2014 01:40 PM
hellz no
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Dimste is not online. Dimste
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29 Jun 2014 01:41 PM
he is hope

Anyways rev, a man can dream. I'm keeping this tracked and I'll show it to any argument I see break out with things listed here in the hopes the kids pulling BS like this can grow a pair.

- Cyrus Thane
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