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Re: spore should be removed from the game

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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 06:30 PM
although not many can learn it, so a spore setup is usually really transparent
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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27 Jun 2014 06:33 PM
um

why?

the best user of the move is Breloom


and breloom is bad
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 06:36 PM
and parasect and amoonguss and their basic evolutions

and if you get spored, you're gonna switch out

so

-spore-

-switches-

-spores again-

x5

-entire team is asleep and you're knocked out instantly-
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 06:37 PM
didn't see you said 'best'

anyway, if you train a breloom just for speed (and it's speed isn't bad to begin with), you can really screw an opponent up
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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27 Jun 2014 06:39 PM
@salsa

that's why there's a Sleep Clause in competitive battles

you can't put more than 1 pokemon of your opponent's to sleep at the same time
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 06:43 PM
have fun dealing with a breloom full of status moves
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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27 Jun 2014 06:48 PM
Insomnia Honchkrow.

Immune to Spore, and has x4 Super Effective Flying STAB with 125 Atk, plus it outspeeds Breloom by 1 Speed.
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 07:51 PM
trickroom + gastro acid m8
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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27 Jun 2014 08:00 PM
.. um, no

you're including support from pokemon other than breloom

breloom can't learn either trick room or gastro acid

not only that but that is assuming

A: You set Trick Room previous to either Honchkrow or Breloom being in the battle.

B: You used Gastro Acid on Honchkrow, and the Honchkrow user didn't switch.

And BOTH of those are assuming my opponent SOMEHOW knows Honchkrow's ability is Insomnia.



Not to mention Honchkrow is already very slow (71 Speed) so it's likely to outspeed whatever used Gastro Acid after Trick Room.


If someone used Gastro Acid on my Honchkrow I'd instantly know something is up. Why would they want to get rid of Insomnia? Obviously to put Honchkrow to sleep.
So I'll switch Honchkrow out.

On the same turn, you're most likely going to switch to Breloom.

Then Breloom tries to use Spore on whatever I sent out to replace Honchkrow.
However, I switch into Honchkrow, who's immune to Spore.

Then all I have to do is OHKO with... Any Flying-type move, honestly.




Actually, ignore all of that. You know how I get rid of Breloom?


Any Pokemon with a Flying-type move, Speed that's higher than 70 and a Chesto Berry.

By the way, that's a lot of Pokemon.
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 08:07 PM
-uses team full of very slow pokemon-

-has full incenses on everything-

-uses trick room-
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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27 Jun 2014 08:12 PM
im loling so hard right now

full incense would make you go second even after trick room because it affects Priority, not Speed


not only that but you're still trying to justify a move being banned because with massive support Breloom can beat Honchkrow

that's just.. no
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 08:16 PM
then use a lagging tail or don't use trick room lol


and you're trying to justify that it shouldn't because of the off-chance that one of the small amount of pokemon that can have insomnia might be on the opponent's team

anyway, I didn't really think it should be removed.

i was using hyperbole man
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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27 Jun 2014 08:23 PM
lagging tail is LITERALLY the exact same thing.. ?



i'm not trying to justify spore not being banned because a small amount of pokemon have insomnia

there's already a sleep clause meaning it's limited to 1 pokemon

i'm saying that there's a perfect counter for a Breloom with Spore, being Insomnia Honchkrow

unless you prepared your whole freaking team for it (like all the examples you put up) then honchkrow will get past breloom

it's not like every other pokemon faster than breloom (like everything in the game) can't OHKO its incredibly low defenses if they switch in when it doesn't use Spore

i also find it funny you try to say i'm justifying it with very strict scenarios (A commonly used pokemon having a good ability isn't strict at all, lol) when your argument against Honchkrow was "Preparing my whole damn team for Honchkrow."
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 08:27 PM
you're still pretty much ignoring the fact that i said it was hyperbole but ok

no doubt you're gonna type another 4 paragraphs in reply to this
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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27 Jun 2014 08:49 PM
so, basically

you say Spore should be banned

you argue against me saying why it should be banned

after losing you say "lol was just exaggerating"

ok
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SalsaSight is not online. SalsaSight
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27 Jun 2014 09:02 PM
yup pretty much

considering you should've been able to tell

drip
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