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Re: One of my favorite posts from S&I

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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 12:52 PM
This was a response by goldfishmemories' to someone's argument on his thread about a previous post.

It's one of my favorite posts that I've seen on S&I.
Here it is:
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"My main goal in this suggestion is to help ROBLOX make money so it can continue to thrive like you guys think it is right now, and to help the Players.

Why would I need to do this?
Because the current ROBLOX economy is in danger of crashing. I don't when it will crash. BUT IT WILL.
And why is it in danger of crashing?

Let me elaborate some more:
ROBLOX's money source like all other online games is mostly ads and traffic. Ads and traffic cover the costs ROBLOX has to run its website. The rest of the money sources are for PROFIT. ROBLOX's main source of "profit" is the Players. I'm not saying that's wrong. My suggestion actually says the Players are a good way to make money. Notice how I worded that. Make money. Not be forced to give you money. But how are we being forced to give ROBLOX money? Well, we're not. You can not buy ROBUX and BC if you want. But BCers always have more fun. Come get BC today. Am I right? :l

I'm not in some petty hatred for BC. If you want to know I've had BC before. Like I said in my previous threads, goldfishmemories is just my views put out there. And my view is if ROBLOX continues on this path, ROBLOX will most surely meet its doom. But how? How will ROBLOX meet its doom? That's prepostorous.

ROBLOX is putting too much value into its currency! Like every other game, ROBLOX puts too much value into its currency and I don't even know if they realize it. How is ROBLOX putting too much value into its currency? By selling it for real life money!

THE SECOND ROBLOX STARTED SELLING ROBUX FOR REAL LIFE MONEY (This includes selling BC as BC gives ROBUX) WAS THE SECOND ROBLOX COULD NO LONGER ADAPT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT COULD GIVE ITS PLAYERS WITHOUT CRASHING ITS SYSTEM.

Why? Because now the amount of ROBUX put into circulation has to equal the amount of real life money used to pay for it. ROBLOX put itself in danger of inflation and I still don't know if they knew it or not!

The amount of profit they gain from BC and ROBUX purchases is less than 25%! LESS THAN A FOURTH OF THEIR PROFIT TRANSLATES INTO THE ACTUAL IN-GAME CURRENCY! And it's given to the people who put the money in. Well what happens to everyone else? You know what happens to everyone else. You've seen it.

About a quarter of accounts on ROBLOX have made a purchase or bought BC. That number will raise and fall. And based on my logic, the ROBUX is divided between 25% of the population. Well what happens to the rest of the playerbase?

They struggle. ROBLOX is sort of like communism: the only difference is, the money it isn't divided fairly. (Don't think I'm some revolutionary screaming "Down to establishment" just because I said communism) And it isn't divided fairly because ROBLOX can not put in enough ROBUX into the system without inflation. And ROBUX is not just a currency, people! ROBLOX is a game, and since ROBLOX's form of gaming is its Places, when you're out of Place, the only overall progression of your account is ROBUX. And what happens when ROBUX becomes a limited source that only 25% percent of the population have access to? Your progression is limited. STUNTED. You can only have this much or this much without having to put money into the system yourself. And ROBUX is becoming such a major part of Places, too. You need ROBUX to get in to some Places, you need ROBUX to buy things in some Places, you need ROBUX to WIN in some Places. ROBUX, ROBUX, ROBUX AND THIS WOULD BE OK! IF ROBUX COULD GO AROUND! BUT RIGHT NOW IT CAN'T! WHY NOT? BECAUSE!

The only way more ROBUX can be put into circulation is if YOU PUT REAL MONEY INTO THE SYSTEM. If you try to earn ROBUX any other way, it loses value, and inflates. And if it inflates too much it bursts like a balloon and the pieces come crashing down; the ROBLOX economy would be the pieces in this metaphor. Just like any other economy, ROBLOX's economy can CRASH. And you know what happens when it crashes. It's been on the news since 2008 and in the history books since the 1930s.

But why does it have to crash? I know it's OK right now, but the new storm of Players will be coming in as ROBLOX gains more fame, and these two things will bring ROBLOX's demise:
1. ROBLOX materialism, the yearning for more, or in a game, progression.
2. ROBLOX's inability to give this progression.

Since most of ROBLOX's features are shown only in gameplay, there's only really a few things you could be considered to progress in in ROBLOX. A big aspect of this progression is the amount of Items you can get. And what's the path to this progression? ROBUX. More than half of the Items in the Catalog cost ROBUX. But to an NBCer, ROBUX is a rare thing. I'd be surprised if you have the patience to earn one without trying to buy ROBUX. But the problem is, that there are some people that cannot buy ROBUX, and cannot afford to spend money on ROBLOX excessively. A lot of BCers I've come across think its so easy to buy and keep BC to make sure you get your fair share of progression, but its way harder than it seems. Not everyone in reality can afford to keep on putting money into the system. Most of these Players are CHILDREN. Children rely on their PARENTS. Parents give them the money to spend on ROBLOX. PARENTS don’t have the PATIENCE or understanding to DO THIS for someone else when they don’t even know what it is they’re doing it FOR. Lifetime BC does some right, but its pretty far out of most people's reach. So when you run out of money, you can still play games and whatnot and do what you can, but your ROBUX, your progression, will stay overally the same. And most people have to struggle with this their entire time on ROBLOX without or refusing to taste the satisfaction of having ROBLOX, and I don't think it’s fair. Having ROBUX is like beating ROBLOX. By this logic, you have to pay to beat ROBLOX. So yeah, in a weird kind of way, ROBLOX is pay-to-win.

But wait, there's hope! You can DEVELOP SUCCESSFUL PLACES AND MAKE TIX FOR FREE!
Realistically, less than 10% of ROBLOX’s population contains successful developers. These developers are usually the staff or teenage ROBLOX Players. Becoming a developer as a kid is extremely hard and for most, not really worth it, even though it kind of is.
Even DEVELOPING OMEGA POPULAR GAMES CAN HURT THE ROBLOX ECONOMY. Unless they’re BCers, they are taking money from the system for FREE. A system where usually the only way to get money out is to put real money in. If more successful developers form as is they can become a problem. They’ll be hurting the economy by inflating it. And if the economy inflates too much, it crashes.

But ROBLOX needs to be able to have in-game money to give to Players! THIS IS HOW THEY PROGRESS. THIS IS GIVING THEM A CHANCE. IF NOT EVERYONE CAN PUT MONEY IN, AND NOT EVERYONE CAN DEVELOP GAMES WITHOUT CRASHING THE SYSTEM AS IS, THEN THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THAT HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN’T WIN. WHO FIND THEIR OWN PROGRESSION STUNTED! COMPLETELY.. STUNTED! AND THEY HATE IT! I KNOW THEY DO! THEY HATE IT!
Let me tell you a story:
When I first joined ROBLOX back in the day, I had a friend who couldn’t afford BC. That friend later turned to hacking and actually hacked ROBLOX for 999999999999 ROBUX. It was a lot of nines, I don’t know how many, but it was big. He came to me wearing a Wanwood Crown and offered to give me the hack he had found online. I said yes. He said to check his messages later. That’s the last I ever heard from him. Why? He was permabanned.

Why did I tell you this?

Because, people who cannot work the system try to break it. They will try to break it, and when they do… man… it’s gonna break into so many pieces I don’t know if they could put ever put it back together again. The Players will try to break it, and the economy itself will eventually crash? Man can we win?

Yes we can.
How do we win? We do what needs to be done.
This is a big problem. And “Big problems need big solutions,” no?
My suggestion is one of these “big” solutions.

When ROBLOX crashes, they’ll have two options: Do something similar to this, OR, forfeit the game entirely. Something like this will have to happen. They’ll need to stop putting so much pressure on their Players and on their currency. They’ll need to help us, but they will also need to help themselves.
Gee, I wonder how they could do that? Wait a minute, no I don’t. I’ve had a solution this entire time!

I’m just begging you to keep an open mind. I’m not trying to destroy ROBLOX. I’ve been racking my brains together trying to figure out how to help it. Because I’ve been here for a longer time than you think and I’ve grown up with this game. I CARE what happens to it. And I see a problem. A fatal problem. That problem is the current ROBLOX system. ROBLOX materialism doesn’t need to be a bad thing. It can actually be a very good thing.
If ROBLOX sells their ITEMS instead of their IN-GAME MONEY, they won’t need to limit their currency anymore. Their currency will lose real life value, but that doesn’t mean people don’t want it. They want it so they can get Items, and all that good in-game stuff that’s for sale (groups, ads, etc). But there are other ways they could get it other than buying it. Not right now, but with this update maybe. And with this update ROBLOX can make more money than ever! It’s what I like to call turning a win-lose then lose-lose situation into a win-win situation.

And what’s better than winning?

I’ll tell you what’s better than winning.

With this update not only does ROBLOX get to make more money and gain more fame than ever (you should read it if you haven’t. I’m not lying), Players get to know what’s it like to reach the peak of ROBLOX. If ROBLOX does this, their entire playerbase will be the INTERNET. It won’t be just the “people who play on the ROBLOX website” crowd it will be the “people who play games on the internet” crowd.
With more casual Players on ROBLOX more ambitious people get to excel at ROBLOX. They get to progress through the new system until they feel they’re at the top and that they’ve had enough. Everyone who wants to can put in the work and have it actually happen. And that work isn’t really hard. You just need what every kid has: patience and imagination. You imagine it and you build it and you get it. That’s what ROBLOX is supposed to be about.
Not give me your money and I’ll give you some in-game money. Not if you don’t you don’t get in-game money. Not you can build a great Place, but statistically almost none of you will. But instead, let’s play ROBLOX and watch it happen. And ROBLOX doesn’t lose money because of this, because with this money, all ROBLOX will do is get better, stronger, wealthier, and more famous.

All I want is to help ROBLOX help you, and help ROBLOX help itself.
And if I’m wrong, I don’t want to be right."
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My suggestion to you is to read his thread:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=136648410

I think his thread has some really good ideas and points to make on the ROBLOX system.
And currently his thread is in need of responders so I thought I would help him out.

(You have just witnessed an advertisement. Go cry to ya mama ;])
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 01:18 PM
When I was reading this it sucked me in.
I completely forgot about how long it was and when I was done I felt my mind working at a much deeper level.

Reading this post for me was like a power-up.
I've read it like five times since it was posted and it still never gets old.
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 01:58 PM
Srsly.
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 05:17 PM
S'cuse me other threads
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 05:33 PM
Wonderpful weather we are having...
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 05:47 PM
... Om...
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Fraxien is not online. Fraxien
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17 Jun 2014 05:59 PM
o.o


my eyes


they are crying

from this beautiful post
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tery215 is not online. tery215
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17 Jun 2014 06:00 PM
you're a horrible person

don't make a thread here dedicated to another thread here

so don't
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 06:03 PM
@Fraxien

Ikr?

@tery215

Why do you have to be so harsh?
Don't you think that was a little unprovoked?
I want to spread word for his thread because it is a good thread and it has a full page of bumps :l
And I wanted people to know about the post he did since barely anyone has seen it.
Just ignore it if you don't like it, please.
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 06:40 PM
I think people need to know about this post.
And posting it here attracts a more serious crowd.
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tery215 is not online. tery215
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17 Jun 2014 06:40 PM
srsly?

it's on the front page of S&I

literally

all you're doing is wasting the front page
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 06:44 PM
I don't view his post as a waste.
I think it's a really good and thought-provoking posts with a lot of good points to make.

tery, did you read it?
If you haven't I suggest that you do.
You may feel differently about this thread.
I'm not trying to be rude or annoying or make enemies.
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DataSylex is not online. DataSylex
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17 Jun 2014 07:06 PM
tl;dr
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DataRaven is not online. DataRaven
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17 Jun 2014 07:13 PM
tl;dr
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tery215 is not online. tery215
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17 Jun 2014 07:29 PM
i'm not talking about his post

i'm talking about this thread

now stop being a redundancy
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GroovyLine91 is not online. GroovyLine91
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17 Jun 2014 07:54 PM
@Tery

Please, just stop.
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 08:42 PM
@tery215

The reason this thread is here is so people can see the post.
Why do you have to be such a killjoy?
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 09:10 PM
Where it was before no one would have seen it.
It's also a good way to get people interested in his actual idea.
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 09:31 PM
Bump.
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ILikeTrainzSir is not online. ILikeTrainzSir
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17 Jun 2014 09:44 PM
Favorite line:

" ROBLOX is sort of like communism "

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 09:57 PM
^ Lol :P
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 10:25 PM
Bump.
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Detrotsid is not online. Detrotsid
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17 Jun 2014 10:29 PM
That's literally a tl'dr post. Literally.
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 10:29 PM
Once you start reading it won't feel like it.
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Lucario1236 is not online. Lucario1236
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17 Jun 2014 11:12 PM
... Did this get F5'ed?
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