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Re: why do so many clan bases have such awful balancing issues

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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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18 Jun 2014 04:11 PM
'we have loads of good tech so we have loads of different guns' ok that's all very well and good but i've seen tons of bases where you start off with a crappy starting pistol and you're up against loads of people who have the best guns in the game just because they've been playing it for longer

unlocks through kills or otherwise over time should at most be either special weapons that fill a very small niche or otherwise sidegrades to your existing weapons

like i'll use call of duty as an example because that's somehow got vastly better weapon balance than most clan bases which is kinda depressing. take black ops 2 and the weapons you can unlock in multiplayer. the first gun you can use in the class is the MTAR which is a really good all-round assault rifle and can even be used competitively but it doesn't really excel in anything. meanwhile the final gun you unlock is the AN-94 which is potentially the best burst-fire weapon in the game, but of course because of this it's less useful at closer ranges and a player using it can still be beaten by someone using the MTAR if they can get close enough (though in some clan bases it's unreasonably hard to get close enough which is also a potential problem but hey). it's still better than the MTAR overall because of various other reasons but it doesn't completely outclass it

this is a pretty good video about it for the record http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w

tl;dr being stuck with a useless pistol when you first join a clan base is dumb unless everyone else is stuck with the same weapon which never happens
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UntoTheBreach is not online. UntoTheBreach
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18 Jun 2014 04:11 PM
truth
borealis anyone
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BerserkTurtles is not online. BerserkTurtles
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18 Jun 2014 04:12 PM
hah

girls playing call of duty

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dracomanx is not online. dracomanx
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18 Jun 2014 04:13 PM
OP, do you have a tough time balancing your trash filled mind with dragons or does it come naturally :3
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DieSoft is not online. DieSoft
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18 Jun 2014 04:13 PM
People don't do test raids on their bases then correct the mistakes they've made to balance it out, that is why they end up being OP.

:|
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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18 Jun 2014 04:13 PM
1) because people are stupid, examples of this being
-people who think gps are fair because everyone can buy them
-people who think additional weapons/upgrades should save as it saves for both teams
similar things like that
2) people make their base unfair because they believe their base should be "realistic" - forgot, that should have gone under "people are stupid"
3) clans that lose too much get depressed so unbalance their base
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HailMario is not online. HailMario
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18 Jun 2014 04:14 PM
wij's fort is balanced!!!

y14>all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ValiantCorsair is not online. ValiantCorsair
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18 Jun 2014 04:15 PM
so you're telling me in real life i dont get an air drop when i kill 3 people in a row???

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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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18 Jun 2014 04:16 PM
Because fort is short for fortified.
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DieSoft is not online. DieSoft
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18 Jun 2014 04:16 PM
This is a game, ValiantCorsair. A game that is not realistic.

Besides, raiding clans should be fun.

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Patreiot is not online. Patreiot
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18 Jun 2014 04:16 PM
My Group TSU had this feature where you unlock new weapons by gaining EXP and levels. We took the CoD approached and ensured all weapons were balanced. That still did not stop people from complaining and calling our weapons OP.
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ShadowSTR is not online. ShadowSTR
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18 Jun 2014 04:16 PM
Because fort is short for fortified.[2]
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HailMario is not online. HailMario
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18 Jun 2014 04:17 PM
"so you're telling me in real life i dont get an air drop when i kill 3 people in a row???"

sorry man it's way too op for the people you are attacking/invading

they could kick you or worse
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HailMario is not online. HailMario
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18 Jun 2014 04:18 PM
@ Patreiot

are you aethea :ooooooooo
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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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18 Jun 2014 04:18 PM
'truth
borealis anyone'

tbh borealis is a good base scripting wise but i was thinking of this whilst i was making this post because it's honestly half of the reason why i lost interest in RAT

'Because fort is short for fortified.'

what's it fortifying from? fun??
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Evetor is not online. Evetor
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18 Jun 2014 04:19 PM
The reason this occurs should be obvious, I'm sure someone like you is aware of it.

I agree that it's stupid but it's not going to change.
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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18 Jun 2014 04:19 PM
no, from defeat.
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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18 Jun 2014 04:19 PM
"what's it fortifying from? fun??"

lol
I'm sure it's pretty fun for the defenders... just not the raiders
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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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18 Jun 2014 04:23 PM
'no, from defeat.'

i'll reiterate borealis was utterly ruined for me and i'm sure a lot of other people purely because you needed like 30 kills to unlock anything other than a peashooter whilst everyone else had 2 hit kill sniper rifles but it was still meant to be a completely balanced clan base that was FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY so that still has no excuse

also if clan forts should be protected from defeat why don't you just add autocannons with perfect aim all around the base and seal off all entrances and give all defenders the most powerful weapons in the game while the raiders get useless pistols
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SirBackspace is not online. SirBackspace
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18 Jun 2014 04:24 PM
I think sapphire II does this well enough.

Everyone starts with lightning, and the first unlock is at 8 kills, the most being at 34, and I don't think any gun is a 1 hit kill.
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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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18 Jun 2014 04:27 PM
'I think sapphire II does this well enough.

Everyone starts with lightning, and the first unlock is at 8 kills, the most being at 34, and I don't think any gun is a 1 hit kill.'

i was led to believe that TRA did this well when i visited their base and then i quickly discovered that the starting rifle still doesn't compare to every subsequent unlock so i'll have to see what that's like

i'm not saying ALL clan bases are unbalanced i'm just saying the majority are
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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18 Jun 2014 04:29 PM
Is this why you quit clans?
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Yeller is not online. Yeller
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18 Jun 2014 04:30 PM
Basically, any base that unlocks better weapons over time gives the defenders a high advantage, unless EVERY RAIDER from a certain clan went there regularly, but even then, if they only have a crappy pistol, and are up against multiple snipers and other things, they usually can't even GET a kill to get a better weapon. I think of it as sort of a sandpit ordeal, where everyone who climbs out of the sand pit is kicking more sand onto the ones still in it, making it harder for them to get out.
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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18 Jun 2014 04:30 PM
tra's is pretty good, since nothing actually saves there
if raiders have more kills in a server, they will have the better weapons
if defenders have more kills in the server, they will
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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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18 Jun 2014 04:31 PM
'Is this why you quit clans?'

it's certainly part of the reason why i quit clans yeah

the fact that whatever scrap of community it had when i was around has descended into mindless bragging and trash talking also didn't help
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