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Re: Do I, as a white European, need to apologize for this?

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crusader583 is not online. crusader583
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17 Jun 2014 06:42 PM
The white Spanish kingdom of Castile & Aragon forced the Jews and Moors (AKA PoC) to either convert or get out in 1492, By Decree of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, and eventually ended up either removing all of them or executing them, whether or not they converted.


Do I, as part Spaniard, have to apologize for this or no?
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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17 Jun 2014 06:43 PM
No, for the simple reason that you hadn't been born yet.





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1GR33NTHUNDAH is not online. 1GR33NTHUNDAH
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17 Jun 2014 06:45 PM
Yes

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lnplodedalt is not online. lnplodedalt
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17 Jun 2014 06:45 PM
i thought Ferdinand and Isabella later allowed them to stay, but heavily taxed them
and no because you cant control what happened ~600 years before you were born
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FatherJackHackett is not online. FatherJackHackett
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17 Jun 2014 06:48 PM
no your not king Ferdinand or queen Isabella.


You will have to if they are your headmates





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CorrTheRelentless is not online. CorrTheRelentless
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17 Jun 2014 06:48 PM
as a north african myself no you shouldn't because north africans who were in spain were invaders that oppressed the spanish people tariq ibn ziyad the conqueror of iberia was a north african who betrayed his people to help the arabs invade another group of people
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ssempre is not online. ssempre
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17 Jun 2014 06:53 PM
no but you have to realize you as a white person benefits from the past mass murders of people of color
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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17 Jun 2014 06:53 PM
Apparently Jews also have white privileges so yeah
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CorrTheRelentless is not online. CorrTheRelentless
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17 Jun 2014 06:54 PM
"no but you have to realize you as a white person benefits from the past mass murders of people of color"
those were mass murders of invaders of his homeland no north african should have been in spain occupying it
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PaintBuckets is not online. PaintBuckets
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17 Jun 2014 06:54 PM
no?

i'm german should i be responsible for wwii?

i'm also greek, I'll take credit for democracy etc
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kitty234 is not online. kitty234
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17 Jun 2014 06:56 PM
"no but you have to realize you as a white person benefits from the past mass murders of people of color"


HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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crusader583 is not online. crusader583
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17 Jun 2014 06:58 PM
"no but you have to realize you as a white person benefits from the past mass murders of people of color"

Okay, I don't feel guilty about it though. Why should I shoulder the responsibility of what Spain did centuries ago simply because of genetic and national ties?
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lnplodedalt is not online. lnplodedalt
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17 Jun 2014 06:59 PM
"no but you have to realize you as a white person benefits from the past mass murders of people of color"

hahhahahhahahahahhahahahahha lol

Location: Ottoman Empire
Date: 1914–1923
Target: Greek population, especially Pontic, Cappadocian and Ionian people
Attack type: Deportation, mass murder, etc.
Deaths: 750,000[1]–900,000[2]
Perpetrators: Ottoman Empire, Turkish National Movement

the turks (which make up the ottoman) are also arab, not white
the majority of the greek population is white
please
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ssempre is not online. ssempre
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17 Jun 2014 07:03 PM
"Okay, I don't feel guilty about it though. Why should I shoulder the responsibility of what Spain did centuries ago simply because of genetic and national ties?"

you're not supposed to feel guilty, you're supposed to recognize that you benefit from the past.

@inploded

ok, but are all white people targeted daily and called repeated racial slurs to this day? No.
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lnplodedalt is not online. lnplodedalt
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17 Jun 2014 07:05 PM
@ssempre
actually yes, white murders are very common in southern africa
http://topconservativenews.com/2011/04/mass-murder-uncovered-in-ivory-coast/
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crusader583 is not online. crusader583
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17 Jun 2014 07:05 PM
@ssem

You are indirectly trying to make me feel guilty for benefiting from something that caused Spain to go into a Golden Age and become the first and one of the largest European empires in history.
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kitty234 is not online. kitty234
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17 Jun 2014 07:07 PM
The Inquisition didn't cause Spain to enter their golden age.

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crusader583 is not online. crusader583
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17 Jun 2014 07:08 PM
The Reconquista and expulsion of Moors and Jews did cause Spain to go into Empire-mode, though.
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ssempre is not online. ssempre
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17 Jun 2014 07:10 PM
@crus

I never said to feel guilty? I said to realize your privilege. Understanding does not mean feeling guilty.
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Exonical is not online. Exonical
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17 Jun 2014 07:11 PM
No?

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crusader583 is not online. crusader583
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17 Jun 2014 07:13 PM
@Ssm

What privilege? My family in Spain was the typical commoner you'd find back before the 1900s; A poor, rural family that raised crops for a living, which 90% of Spain did back then. The top 10% is who really benefited from the Empire, the Royal Family & the nobles are who got rich, not the lower common class. So, in case you haven't realized, white people don't even consider each other equal, not back then, not now. The lower class didn't so much as look at the wealth that poured out of the Americas. That's the beauty of a Feudal Monarchy.
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ssempre is not online. ssempre
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17 Jun 2014 07:14 PM
you still benefit from the long term affects though. We're talking about racism, not classism.
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CorrTheRelentless is not online. CorrTheRelentless
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17 Jun 2014 07:15 PM
Ssempre why was it bad for the spanish who had just reconquered their lands to expel the invaders and occupiers?
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crusader583 is not online. crusader583
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17 Jun 2014 07:16 PM
I benefit from it, yeah, and I'm proud to be descended from Spain and Sweden. All this "understand you benefit from genocide" stuff will do is make me feel indifferent, because there's no one left to talk to from that era.
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ssempre is not online. ssempre
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17 Jun 2014 07:16 PM
they were killing people for being a different religion
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