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| 08 Jun 2014 04:34 PM |
Whatever begins to exist must have a cause The universe began to exist, thus it has a cause Causality cannot regress to infinity (since it's impossible to traverse an infinite series by it's definition) Therefore an uncaused first cause must have caused the universe to exist. Since this first cause is uncaused, it is uncreated. Since this first cause is uncreated, it is eternal. Since this first cause is eternal, it must exist. God is an uncreated, eternal being Therefore God exists. |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:35 PM |
well maybe it was always there :OOOOOOO
You're stinking up the subforum |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:35 PM |
shut up noob !!!!!
ɪғ ᴏɴʟʏ ɪ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅ ʙᴇ sᴏ ɢʀᴏssʟʏ ɪɴᴄᴀɴᴅᴇsᴄᴇɴᴛ |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:36 PM |
>some people just want to watch the world burn
of course this could have all been avoided if you said "pretty please naruto-san" |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:36 PM |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:36 PM |
There is a cause for universe for existing, it's that two universes bumped into eachother and created a new one
Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere - Albert Einstein |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:36 PM |
One of the first people to theorize the big bang was a catholic priest
you lose
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:37 PM |
god cannot exist if she never even existed
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:39 PM |
"one of the first people to theorize the big bang was a catholic priest"
it couldnt have been caused by god no never |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:41 PM |
but if you really want me to explain, when everything was condensed into a small area, everything was very dense and hot, which created 'curves' in space time, which caused the expansion of space
there's your damn cause mkay
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:42 PM |
Well time is an illusion anyways... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO that's what gets on me about this stuff people treat stuff with time when time doesn't exist God... Yes, that was on purpose... If there is some intelligent omniscient being, it probably isn't exactly as God though.
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:42 PM |
| where did the dense sphere originate? |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:43 PM |
The only thing we know for sure is there is a cause for every effect, which may just be the existence of everything. Cause and effect can still happen with no time.
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:46 PM |
I don't think this way, but an atheist will tell you that we must not fully understand the idea of "cause and effect", and therefore there might be a way for the universe to have just always been there. I think this is silly myself. But, I think that's how an atheist would tell it. |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:47 PM |
| cause and effect are only laws within the our universe which didnt exist per se at the time |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:47 PM |
"where did the dense sphere originate?"
there are several possibilities
it did not have/need an origin because time did not exist by our laws of physics while the universe was compressed ( is 'while' the right word then? lol.)
there is a possibility that the universe is in fact eternal, where the universe eventually compresses on itself and creates another big bang in the process, which is the theory i like to lean towards to
there's also the crackpot multiverse theories of course
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:48 PM |
"within the our universe"
within our universe* i reword my posts sometimes so this happens often |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:48 PM |
"and therefore there might be a way for the universe to have just always been there."
But what's stopping the thought that God just always been there?
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:50 PM |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:50 PM |
>But what's stopping the thought that God just always been there? Talk to Catzilla, actually. I think he knows this a bit better than I do. |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:50 PM |
| if the eternal universe theory is true then eventually gravity will fail to do its job of pulling the universe back together again and all matter will be spread thin |
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:51 PM |
Well, the cause for existence could be it always there. The cause for always being there could be because of a reason unknown to us so far. It could be as simple as somehow being so theoretically smart it makes itself exist. It could also be that we somehow do live in nothing somehow. Who knows? Strangely enough, we can't disprove omniscient beings because they're at the same level. And that, my friends, is why I have no side on this.
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:52 PM |
"But what's stopping the thought that God just always been there?"
nothing
i'm not against it you know
you just have your theory and i have mine :-)
in the end, science can't fully explain some of the more complex things in the universe- the beginning, and that's where god is just as valuable as science
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| 08 Jun 2014 04:53 PM |
It fascinates me that there could be things like the mist in Percy Jackson that hide the incomprehensible truth.
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