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Re: [FWC] Ultimatum to TVE

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CoejoeTheGreat is not online. CoejoeTheGreat
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08 Jun 2014 02:03 PM
Ever since the beginning of this so-called friendly war began, it has been riddled with multiple issues, some of which being declining to defend, alleged breaches of war terms, and admin abuse. Most of those we have been able to come over together, but the most recent potential breach came when TVE HRs demanded a mandatory ceasefire.

Some of the quotes from a TVE HR about such are:

"TVE is undergoing massive reforms right now to the point where a ceasefire must be called."
"This war will destroy TVE's reforms if we continue."
"If it was up to me, TVE would be surrendering, because these reforms are so important."
"All we're asking for is a 5-day ceasefire so TVE can get back on its feet."
"Then TVE will not be defending our fort when you raid."
"And TVE will not be raiding either."
"You can raid all you want, but you won't see a single TVE soul until the 5-day period is up."
"Because our HiCom is incompetent."
"Darkness does not want us to surrender our first war."
"TVE will be taking a mandatory 5-day ceasefire from defending and raiding, if FWC likes it or not."
"I don't think you understand the urgency of these reforms."
"I beg your pardon, but I have orders to shut down this raid."
"However this counts as a win for you."
"TVE will be taking a mandatory 5day cease fire from the war with FWC. This will be our rehabilitation period. -TheKnightOfChaos"
"Do not enter Rigel. We will be calling a ceasefire."

You can find all of these quotes in the following video:

http://youtu.be/gAj5iinLaic

These declarations by TVE HRs are in direct contrast to the amended war terms, specifically the term that states, "If raiders flood, defenders must attempt to enter the server."

Original war terms:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=136104775

Amendments to terms:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=136199615

Originally, TVE demanded that we give them 5 days to end their internal problems. However, one has recently contacted Inversus, saying that the ceasefire will end tomorrow. This duration seems very short and unlikely to solve such "important" and "urgent" problems that they have. If TVE had known they had internal issues, I doubt they would have declared war. Though, once they noticed they had them during the war, to force a ceasefire is not a way to handle the problems. It just causes more but for more than just one clan.

FWC will continue to raid and go by the war terms, both amended and original, respectively in importance. If TVE truly has such urgent and important reforms, during wartime would not be the time to handle them, and FWC would like to call upon their hasty surrender.

If TVE declines to surrender, like they do defending or raiding, FWC will continue to raid, claiming wins on the undefended servers in regards to the amended term that either clan must defend.

This will help end things quickly and be best for both clans so that we can both just move on.

Another topic we would like to focus on is the disregard to update the war score in the TVE group description, keeping the score 2-1, rather than 3-1 or 3-0 (3-0 with the discrepancy that FWC has against the auto-win declaration).

There was an official server, and an unofficial server with about 3 TVE. After TVE had practically lost the first server in numbers, they ordered their men to go to the second, unofficial server right away, retreating from the first server raid to get to a second, unofficial server. The war terms state that you may only raid once and then have a 1-hour "cooldown period."

Let's entertain the possibility that the server could have been recognized as official before the initial retreat of TVE in the first server. If it were official, and FWC left the server, FWC did eventually return to the same server with around 17 TVE there. From that, FWC defended the fort for another 45 minutes until the around 14 TVE left, including eeek, I believe, decided that 45 minutes after their so-called win had occurred that they would recognize it and leave the fort and fighting in it.

Our concern is that TVE will continue to breach terms unpunished. To blatantly say that you will not defend is against the war terms. FWC does not want to call an auto-win for a breach of war terms, but FWC does not want breaches to go unpunished. FWC will do what they must, stopping their leniency.


Signed,

CoejoeTheGreat, Peacekeeper of Fire Warriors Clan
Inversus, Magister of Fire Warriors Clan
HumanXerxes, Emperor of Fire Warriors Clan
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:03 PM
Signed.
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08 Jun 2014 02:04 PM
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08 Jun 2014 02:10 PM
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08 Jun 2014 02:12 PM
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:13 PM
@coe

We just raided. I sent a PM to LV 3 minutes before, and we waited at the TVE fort for 5 minutes.
LV replied quoting their ceasefire, refusing to defend.
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crazy11745 is not online. crazy11745
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08 Jun 2014 02:14 PM
Incredible.
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hockeychris11 is not online. hockeychris11
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08 Jun 2014 02:15 PM
tl;dr=?
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CoejoeTheGreat is not online. CoejoeTheGreat
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08 Jun 2014 02:16 PM
tl;dr =

fwc will raid and each raid tve doesn't show will be counted as a win or you surrender already

CoejoeTheGreat, the Peacekeeper of Fire Warriors Clan
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DarknessRepeats is not online. DarknessRepeats
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08 Jun 2014 02:17 PM
I honestly find this amusing.

Considering we lost a ton of HRs yesterday, we did need to go into some minor reforms, and so far they have gone swimmingly. I doubt a one day break is going to be the end for FWC.

The war has gone terribly, and this is by no means friendly due to the idiocy of FWC. We have seen cheap tactics, and in return, we have done our own tactics, which were considered invalid.

I will only negotiate a complete cease-fire, and by no means will TVE ever surrender.

~LV
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:17 PM
tl;dr = We are crushing TVE, and forgiving their refusals to defend until now.
They repay us by breaking their own rules, and claim autowins when we take too long to defend from their raids which are against the war terms which they themselves wished for, not so much us.
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crazy11745 is not online. crazy11745
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08 Jun 2014 02:18 PM
@LV - Good comeback.
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:19 PM
"We have seen cheap tactics, and in return, we have done our own tactics, which were considered invalid."

We forgive TVE's refusal to defend -your cheap tactics-, and then when FWC take too long to defend a raid which is against the war terms you claim an auto win.
Not only are you claiming false wins, but you're doing far worse things yourself.

What "cheap tactics" have we used?
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:19 PM
"I doubt a one day break is going to be the end for FWC."

You are losing badly, and refuse to defend/raid for an entire day - despite the fact we warned you we would not accept a cease fire.
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DarknessRepeats is not online. DarknessRepeats
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08 Jun 2014 02:20 PM
"We have been crushing TVE"

Sir, the war score stands 2-1.

Again, you clearly don't want to be at war with TVE, and we don't either. While the idea of alliance is far out of reach, I am widely open to a complete cease-fire, and the stop of war. I'd rather find a good enemy that doesn't have communication errors, and morons leading it.

~LV
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:21 PM
'"We have been crushing TVE"

Sir, the war score stands 2-1.'

4-0*

I believe we have already discussed your auto win as false.
Of course, we could also claim auto wins and make the war 5-1, if you do wish.
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DarknessRepeats is not online. DarknessRepeats
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08 Jun 2014 02:22 PM
4-0? I'm done. I'm done.

Goodness me, are you kidding me? That must be a joke.

We also declared win, not because you didn't defend, but because you retreated from an official raid.

~LV
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CoejoeTheGreat is not online. CoejoeTheGreat
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08 Jun 2014 02:24 PM
"we did need to go into some minor reforms"

The importance and urgent necessity to enter reforms was stressed to the utmost by TheKnightOfChaos in-game, saying, "This war will destroy TVE's reforms if we continue."

Minor reforms do not need to stop a war for 5 days or even 3. You just had a 17 member training while there were only 10 FWC in your 30-player server fort and still did not defend.

You have to admit that you understand how proclaiming a mandatory ceasefire this soon into war would upset us. FWC has been lenient so far, even allowing admin abuse to slip.

CoejoeTheGreat, the Peacekeeper of Fire Warriors Clan
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:25 PM
"you retreated from an official raid"

1) You have also done this, and we -since this is a friendly war- decided not to claim a win for.

2) That second raid went against the war terms -the war term which TVE wanted rather than ourselves. There is a cooldown period. And still, we defended your raid DESPITE the fact it went against war terms - another example of our leniency.
It is then amusing that you feel the need to declare an auto win at the end of that raid, 45 minutes in, after TVE lost rather than at the start when you had a chance to win.
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DarknessRepeats is not online. DarknessRepeats
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08 Jun 2014 02:25 PM
1-day reform is what we've stated recently.

~LV
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Dravum is not online. Dravum
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08 Jun 2014 02:27 PM
lol fwc be killin tve
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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08 Jun 2014 02:30 PM
"stated"

We warned you this would be counted as a surrender.
TVE do not control this war - you cannot decide that raids will no longer occur.

If you choose not to defend, the fort gets taken. Simple as that.

It is interesting that our 4-0 score, 5-0 if we were to count auto wins -although FWC, unlike TVE, do not support auto wins-, is enough to send TVE into such a panic as to refuse to defend.
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randomskillz20 is not online. randomskillz20
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08 Jun 2014 02:31 PM
I thought TVE was dead (1)


no? ok
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