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Re: Albert Einsteins view on Religion.

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abalonemascarponi is not online. abalonemascarponi
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03 Jun 2014 02:44 PM
"I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects." - From an interview published in 1930 in G.S. Viereck's book

I am Christian, but this view of Religion is exemplary.
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2013Yay is not online. 2013Yay
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03 Jun 2014 03:25 PM
Einstein was a jew, but he calculated what happened right after the big bang.
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abalonemascarponi is not online. abalonemascarponi
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03 Jun 2014 03:26 PM
Is there any problem with that?

Only because you think science is correct doesn't mean you can't follow a religious belief.
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2013Yay is not online. 2013Yay
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03 Jun 2014 03:33 PM
It's because jewish people takes the bible literally, they don't believe that there was a big bang.

"Only because you think science is correct doesn't mean you can't follow a religious belief. "

It does mean that you can't follow a religious belief, like you see above, Einstein could only be a non-jew or a jew, because jews are taking the bible literally, christians doesn't.
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abalonemascarponi is not online. abalonemascarponi
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03 Jun 2014 03:38 PM
"It does mean that you can't follow a religious belief, like you see above, Einstein could only be a non-jew or a jew, because jews are taking the bible literally, christians doesn't."

Einstein has stated that he isn't a Jew.

I didn't know that Jews must believe everything in the Bible. I am sure there are "sub-categories" of Judaism that allow it though.
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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03 Jun 2014 03:39 PM
ill clear things up here. einstein was from a jewish family, but simply labelled himself as agnostic. he neither accepted nor rejected the notion of a deity.
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abalonemascarponi is not online. abalonemascarponi
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03 Jun 2014 03:40 PM
"ill clear things up here. einstein was from a jewish family, but simply labelled himself as agnostic. he neither accepted nor rejected the notion of a deity."

That's what he basically said in the quote.
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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03 Jun 2014 03:41 PM
indeed it was.
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03 Jun 2014 03:43 PM
"I didn't know that Jews must believe everything in the Bible. I am sure there are "sub-categories" of Judaism that allow it though."

Jews are taking religious texts literally, I have to look it up first if there are these "sub-categories".
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03 Jun 2014 04:17 PM
This is what the government wants you to think.....
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03 Jun 2014 04:20 PM
"It's because jewish people takes the bible literally,"

That depends on the denomination
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03 Jun 2014 05:01 PM
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03 Jun 2014 05:10 PM
Yeah it said god created the world 6000 years ago, created man instantly not true, created the world at same time as every other planet not true. The bible creation myth is against the Big Bang.
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03 Jun 2014 05:27 PM
"The bible doesn't say anything against the big bang theory."

Open up the first pages and tell me what you see.
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03 Jun 2014 05:29 PM
What he meant by the seven day's was not in thousand's of years but he was exaggerating. It felt like a speck of time for him but for us humans, it would feel like millions upon millions of years but yet, the word million didn't exist yet so that's why that word doesn't come up in the Bible.
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03 Jun 2014 05:30 PM
regardless, the timeline is too far off to agree with the big bang.
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03 Jun 2014 05:51 PM
How would you know that the writer of genesis is exaggerating? That would be one of the most extreme exaggerations ever.
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05 Jun 2014 04:16 PM
As I said before, it is entirely against the big bang.
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05 Jun 2014 04:29 PM
Einstein was only a Jew by race and culture. He was not of the Jewish faith.
Einstein, by the modern definition of "atheist", WAS an atheist. This is simply non debatable. The definition of "atheism" Einstein used is different than how it is defined today. The definition Einstein used defines atheism as "a belief that there is no God". That's why Einstein said he was "too humble" to be an atheist.

The modern definition of "atheism" is a synonym for "nonbeliever", and Einstein specifically stated that he is a nonbeliever.

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat
new kind of religion.
I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or
anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we
can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill
a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a
genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with
mysticism.
The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems
even naive."
- Albert Einstein

In fact, a lot of people, of Albert Einstein's time accused him of being religious and believing in a god when he did not.

He wrote this about the people claiming that he is religious:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I
do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our
science can reveal it."
- Albert Einstein

In fact, it was so well-known even in Einstein's time that he did not believe in God that many religious authorities were upset and wrote negative things about it. For example, the president of the historical society of New Jersey wrote a letter to Einstein that said this:

"We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one
thing you do not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit
and cannot be found through the telescope or microscope,
no more than human thought or emotion can be found by
analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based
on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person, perhaps,
is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has
wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my
spiritual aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I
might, by mere suggestion, disturb and damage the life
and hopes of some fellow being; (2) because I agree with
the writer who said, 'There is a mean streak in anyone
who will destroy another's faith.' .. . I hope, Dr Einstein,
that you were misquoted and that you will yet say some-
thing more pleasing to the vast number of the American
people who delight to do you honor."


So no, Einstein did not believe in a deity nor was he religious in the sense we would use it. Einstein was more like a pantheist. He would use religion and a god as a way to poetically convey his ideas. He wasn't exactly like a pantheist, which is why he says, "I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist". But that's the closest label you can really apply to his views.
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