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Re: debate- hell and heaven's existence

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OceanWavess is not online. OceanWavess
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30 May 2014 02:06 PM
do you have any proof (besides the bible) to show that they are real?

if not, do not reply
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0RainbowPiIIow0 is not online. 0RainbowPiIIow0
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30 May 2014 02:10 PM
There isn't any proof.

No debate needed.
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CoffeeScripter is not online. CoffeeScripter
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30 May 2014 02:15 PM
Though there's decisive evidence against heaven; there's no proof for or against hell.
It could exist.
It could not.

As we build it once again.
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0RainbowPiIIow0 is not online. 0RainbowPiIIow0
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30 May 2014 02:20 PM
"Though there's decisive evidence against heaven; there's no proof for or against hell.
It could exist.
It could not."

So you think Christians believe that heaven is over the clouds?
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mathisawsome is not online. mathisawsome
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30 May 2014 02:22 PM
Say hi to the flame war.
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CoffeeScripter is not online. CoffeeScripter
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30 May 2014 02:22 PM
That is what I have been told.
Whether they DO believe that is another matter.

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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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30 May 2014 02:22 PM
How do you know they don't exist though?
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CoffeeScripter is not online. CoffeeScripter
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30 May 2014 02:24 PM
Assuming heaven is in the clouds; that can be easily disproved.
Assuming hell is in the earth's core... well, there's no proof for either side.

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0RainbowPiIIow0 is not online. 0RainbowPiIIow0
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30 May 2014 02:24 PM
"Say hi to the flame war."

So whenever somebody gives an arguments (or a question leading to an argument) against a statement you are going to say that?

"That is what I have been told.
Whether they DO believe that is another matter."

They don't. The Heaven and Hell thing is ment symbolic. You will not find a true christian that will tell you how heaven or hell looks like or where it is. If you do find someone he is either an extremist or a idiot.
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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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30 May 2014 02:27 PM
What if the supernatural beings of the bible were actually extraterrestrials but due to the technology at the time they just went and did whatever these ETs ordered them - you know, hell could've been a planet filled with prison blocks and heaven could've been another planet but this one would be completely beautiful.
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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30 May 2014 02:34 PM
"How do you know they don't exist though?"

that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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CoffeeScripter is not online. CoffeeScripter
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30 May 2014 02:35 PM
That's quite a good theory; but it can't be proved true or false.
However; once we die; how would they teleport our conciousness to those planets?

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0RainbowPiIIow0 is not online. 0RainbowPiIIow0
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30 May 2014 02:36 PM
Are we really talking about planets with burning building and consciousness teleportation now?
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ninja7869 is not online. ninja7869
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30 May 2014 02:53 PM
how do you know they dont exist
how do you know they exist

this forum hurts my head aghsiufngodruisgndsg
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stealthyninja588 is not online. stealthyninja588
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30 May 2014 03:40 PM
"So you think Christians believe that heaven is over the clouds?"
- "That is what I have been told."
This is why I can't take anything coffee says seriously...



"do you have any proof (besides the bible) to show that they are real?"
Well, you could use Sister Faustina's writings about her vision of heaven and hell...but that isn't exactly 'proof'...of course, none of the edgy atheists here would accept any less than a 'live footage' Morgan Freeman-narrated documentary of heaven and hell anyways...


But there is that one young boy who suffered (and was clinically pronounced dead) from some medical problem that was either a burst appendix or cancer, but then he woke up and said he had visited heaven, then described Jesus in detail as well as vividly describing a sibling who died before he was born (and he had never been told about).
A similar situation happened with a young woman (she went clinically dead, then woke up saying she had seen heaven) and when they asked her to describe which pictures of Jesus are "most accurate to how he really looks," they were the same ones the boy had pointed out even though those two people had never contacted nor even heard of each other before.
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stealthyninja588 is not online. stealthyninja588
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30 May 2014 03:42 PM
"that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
Everyone thought the extreme government spying was a myth; prior to Snowden's leak, anyone who said the government was spying on them would be dismissed as a silly conspiracy theorist.
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Kingthero is not online. Kingthero
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30 May 2014 03:44 PM
You can't debate their existance if you can not include everything it involves, like purgatory(Idk how to spell :P). If you believe in christian god, you probably believe in heaven/hell.

This is an almost obvious arguement that is almost useless to debate, as there is like no evidence of it not existing or existing. This is just your BELIEF. You can argue your beliefs, but not into a small section like this.
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Xlashier is not online. Xlashier
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30 May 2014 03:45 PM
OMG WHAT AN IDIOT WE HAVE HERE

YOU POST A DEBATE AND SAY IF THERE IS NO PROOF U CANT REPLY

THEN ITS NOT A DEBATE SMART ONE
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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30 May 2014 03:47 PM
"Everyone thought the extreme government spying was a myth; prior to Snowden's leak, anyone who said the government was spying on them would be dismissed as a silly conspiracy theorist."

that is a horrible example because it goes both ways.

argument 1: "you cannot prove that the government is spying on us, therefore they are not."

argument 2: "you cannot prove that the government isnt spying on us, therefore they are."

just because i cant disprove something doesnt mean that it is automatically valid in any way. something must be proven before it can be disproved.
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CoffeeScripter is not online. CoffeeScripter
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30 May 2014 04:16 PM
I can't believe people take NDEs seriously.
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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30 May 2014 04:22 PM
When people report near death experiences, they see their late loved ones and report being in a bizarre different world. Scientists are unable to disprove these claims and research is being done about these experiences.There are many different dimensions in the Universe we don't know about.
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30 May 2014 04:25 PM
"But there is that one young boy who suffered (and was clinically pronounced dead) from some medical problem that was either a burst appendix or cancer, but then he woke up and said he had visited heaven, then described Jesus in detail as well as vividly describing a sibling who died before he was born (and he had never been told about)."

there are literally thousands of people who claim to have been abducted by aliens while they weren't conscious (usually asleep). a lot of people have indeed claimed to have "seen heaven"- but it should be noted that they're not all from the same religion.

if we are to take that heavenly visit of yours as evidence, then surely we'll have to consider all religions (all of which have differing beliefs, creation stories etc) that have had some sort of "divine wanderer" as nothing but the absolute truth?

♜ "Even a broken clock is right twice a day"
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FootballFr3ak is not online. FootballFr3ak
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30 May 2014 04:28 PM
But they didn't die, hence "near death".
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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30 May 2014 04:30 PM
The Bible days there are 3 heavens:

The first one in the Earth's atmosphere and and the second one in the Stars, Galaxy and beyond. The third heaven is the heaven of heavens. It is where God, Jesus, angels, and the spirits of believers reside. This heaven is where we go when we die and it exists in an alternate dimension of space and time
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0RainbowPiIIow0 is not online. 0RainbowPiIIow0
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30 May 2014 04:34 PM
"The first one in the Earth's atmosphere and and the second one in the Stars, Galaxy and beyond. The third heaven is the heaven of heavens. It is where God, Jesus, angels, and the spirits of believers reside. This heaven is where we go when we die and it exists in an alternate dimension of space and time"

Prove please.
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