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Re: The purpose of a prison system should be to rehab people

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HygenistHygenist1 is not online. HygenistHygenist1
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27 May 2014 08:40 PM
Make it so that they will not have to commit crimes any more. Through the prison system, we need to fix people psychologically, and also teach them marketable skills. At the very least, we should teach them not to turn their nose up at hard labor. Which is what the modern prison teaches people: Complacency.

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Shadowcat82 is not online. Shadowcat82
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27 May 2014 08:42 PM
i like justice better
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27 May 2014 08:42 PM
i like justice better
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27 May 2014 08:44 PM
i like justice better
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HygenistHygenist1 is not online. HygenistHygenist1
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27 May 2014 08:44 PM
Justice? More like vengeance. Vengeance is barbaric, it is the trappings of barbarians. Let the barbarians keep it, I've never had a desire for vengeance.

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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 08:45 PM
Justice > Rehab
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Shadowcat82 is not online. Shadowcat82
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27 May 2014 08:45 PM
you are right justice really is personal vengeance
still doesnt make anything wrong with it


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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 08:46 PM
Justice? More like vengeance. Vengeance is barbaric, it is the trappings of barbarians. Let the barbarians keep it, I've never had a desire for vengeance.
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I like barbarism.
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HygenistHygenist1 is not online. HygenistHygenist1
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27 May 2014 08:48 PM
Why does Justice > Rehab though? What do we have to gain by imprisoning people indefinitely or killing them? Hell, what do we have to gain by imprisoning them for a little while? And teaching them nothing, and then releasing them back into society, only for them to cause harm again? Is that your justice?

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Shadowcat82 is not online. Shadowcat82
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27 May 2014 08:53 PM
"What do we have to gain by imprisoning people indefinitely or killing them?"
satisfaction of vengeance

"And teaching them nothing, and then releasing them back into society, only for them to cause harm again?"
then kill them
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 08:53 PM
The reason justice beats rehab is because their needs to be a balance. The US criminal "Justice" system isn't actual justice. Rehab doesn't work, think of it like drug addiction, rehabilitation is ineffective. If you are robbing, it is because you are poor and need money(in most cases). If you are a murderer, you murder for passion, profit, or impulse. These are things that rehab can not fix. Poverty isn't solved by rehab, neither is mental illness or general hatred for another human.
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coldbloodedkiller9 is not online. coldbloodedkiller9
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27 May 2014 08:58 PM
To throw in my two cents, you're correct. Prisons are designed to rehabilitate people.

Let's say our criminal bob lands in a tough spot. He, out of desperation, robs a gas station. Only once. No criminal record, he just wants to keep his family alive.

He's caught and sentence 5 years prison time. He pleads guilty and goes in.

Fast forward three and a half years. Bob has worked on his education in the prison, and has come to accept that what he did was wrong. He has pledged to never steal again, because he can't be taken away from his family.

Once he's out, he can't get a job because he's an ex convict. Him and his family go hungry, and never get above the poverty line.

Is Vengeance what this man deserves? No. I see everyone in this thread saying that justice prevails over rehab. Justice and rehab are the same thing. Punishing someone after they're released is idiotic. All it ever does is trap them in a cycle. Ex cons are three times more likely to commit crimes, because they can't get a well paying job. That is not justice. That is not vengeance. That is part of the problem.

And if you support that... You are too.

(this was based off of the US prison system)
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HygenistHygenist1 is not online. HygenistHygenist1
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27 May 2014 08:58 PM
@DrCaneJr

By rehab I also mean therapy and medication, you know, psychological/psychiatric treatment. I probably should have just said that, but ah well :/. And I also meant the teaching of skills, so that their poverty can be elimanted. And if all else fails, teach them not to shirk manual labor, because they need a job of some sort if we want everyone to be a functioning member of society.

@ShadowCat82

"and kill them"

What kind of psycho takes delight in the killing of others?

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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 09:01 PM
Medications aren't going to solve a person's poverty, neither will therapy.
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coldbloodedkiller9 is not online. coldbloodedkiller9
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27 May 2014 09:02 PM
"Medications aren't going to solve a person's poverty, neither will therapy."

Preventing them from ever having a chance to get a well paying job will?

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27 May 2014 09:03 PM
i like justice
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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 09:04 PM
Preventing them from ever having a chance to get a well paying job will?
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If you are in a jail cell, a job is irrelevant. Also, if they decided, "Hey lets stab this guy, assault his wife, and take his valuables." They deserve nothing short of death.
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HygenistHygenist1 is not online. HygenistHygenist1
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27 May 2014 09:05 PM
@mathisawesome

You're like the sheep in 1984, and everyone else who said "I like justice" is too. You repeat over and over a mantra that means nothing.

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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 09:07 PM
you realize the entire point of saying it is to raise a reaction out of you, which you are doing right now.
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coldbloodedkiller9 is not online. coldbloodedkiller9
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27 May 2014 09:09 PM
"If you are in a jail cell, a job is irrelevant. Also, if they decided, "Hey lets stab this guy, assault his wife, and take his valuables." They deserve nothing short of death."


And what about on release? What then? Not all prison sentences are permanent. If someone can prove they are not going to commit crime again, what bloody reason is there to motivate them to!?

You're seeing things in purely black and white. There is so much grey. Regardless of the crime, all inmates should be given the chance to be rehabilitated. If they can't be, then they should be used as a bottom work force. Death should only be serves in extreme cases.
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HygenistHygenist1 is not online. HygenistHygenist1
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27 May 2014 09:09 PM
@DrCaneJr

If a person commits a violent crime like that with no motive, they probably have serious underlying mental issues.Mental issues that they cannot help. No-one can help having their mental issues, they are typically either the environment they were raised in or their genetics or sometimes both. Either way, they cannot help being insane. Why should we kill someone who can't even help themselves from killing? Those who were born without the strength of willpower to overcome their baser urges?

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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 09:12 PM
Yes, yes we should kill them. The person murdered had no say over their death, why should the criminal?

In regards to not everyone being a criminal, this is true. The US Criminal Justice System is broken and needs to be fixed. Doesn't mean we should feel bad for those who chose to harm another.
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27 May 2014 09:15 PM
@DrCane
Even the ones who are mentally lil?
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HygenistHygenist1 is not online. HygenistHygenist1
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27 May 2014 09:15 PM
@DrCaneJr

"chooses"

Nobody chooses anything when it comes to the modus operandi by which we make decisions. That's all a result of environment and gentics, the chemical makeup in your brain, etc. It's like blaming someone with an IQ of 60 for not behaving normally. Or someone with schizophrenia for hallucinating.

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DrCaneJr is not online. DrCaneJr
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27 May 2014 09:20 PM
Those who are mentally ill can not be rehabilitated, they kill because that is all they know. That is a human who should be killed for the betterment of our species.
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