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Re: a---bortion or no

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Riducule is not online. Riducule
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23 May 2014 02:27 AM
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DuckD0nald is not online. DuckD0nald
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23 May 2014 05:54 AM
why are you skipping school
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2013Yay is not online. 2013Yay
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23 May 2014 06:23 AM
Like i already said, it's ok if the unborn human is max. 3 months old, after that it shouldn't be a--borted unless the mother's life is in danger because of the unborn human.
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DarakkenValskovycz is not online. DarakkenValskovycz
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23 May 2014 09:35 AM
no, it's bad, unless it's due to rapping
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Riducule is not online. Riducule
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23 May 2014 09:44 AM
Yea, exactly, I mean a baby doesn't just pop out, does it? Their actions have consequences; people need to understand this.
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DarakkenValskovycz is not online. DarakkenValskovycz
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23 May 2014 09:51 AM
or the child is gonna die anyway, so its ok then
its better if the one gets hurt rather than two
i guess
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2013Yay is not online. 2013Yay
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23 May 2014 10:23 AM
The mother is always more important than the unborn human, because she is able to get more children later.
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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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23 May 2014 10:33 AM
^
My thoughts, precisely.

"why are you skipping school"
He .... is not. :)

Als je dit kan lezen, weet ik of dat je, a, google gebruikt hebt, of, b, dat je Nederlands kan lezen.
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LaFeministe is not online. LaFeministe
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23 May 2014 01:50 PM
"Their actions have consequence"


Typical "pro-life" logic; degrade people for not treating a foetus(which isn't even scientifically classified as a human; it's a developing human/mammal)with 'dignity', and then imply that foetuses are a punishment.
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Kaidou is not online. Kaidou
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23 May 2014 01:55 PM
>degrade people for not treating a foetus(which isn't even scientifically classified as a human; it's a developing human/mammal

They have human DNA. Would you say that a not-yet-born horse, with horse DNA, is not a horse? Logically, no. Then why is it okay to deem a not-yet-born human baby, with human DNA, not a human? You just stated, it's a developing human. Thus, logically, it's still a human.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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23 May 2014 02:02 PM
@Kaidou

Also funny that they say we evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys due to monkeys having a similar dna make-up, yet say that a baby with totally human dna isn't human.
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jamkid12 is not online. jamkid12
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23 May 2014 02:16 PM
this is one of the specific things we aren't supposed to talk about
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LaFeministe is not online. LaFeministe
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23 May 2014 02:42 PM
"They have human DNA. Would you say that a not-yet-born horse, with horse DNA, is not a horse?"

Yes. It's called a foetus. Horse foetus =/= horse.


"Then why is it okay to deem a not-yet-born human baby, with human DNA, not a human? You just stated, it's a developing human. Thus, logically, it's still a human."

Uh, no. A foetus is not an infant.


An infant, to begin, has completed the gestation period. A foetus has not.

An infant has been born. It has been given legally identified personhood. A foetus has not.

An infant has sentience. A foetus, up until the third trimester, does not[1].

An infant has something called EEG, or brain activity. EEG is used to determine whether or not a human is alive. A foetus, up until approximately week 25 of p_eg_ancy, does not (and fortunately for you only about 2% of a___tions occur after week 21 [2]).








[1] - Informahealthcare website article by Susan Tawia
[2] - A___tion surveillance summary posted on the CDC website, sourced from the following: Laurie D. Elam-Evans, Ph.D., Lilo T. Strauss, M.A., Joy Herndon, M.S., Wilda Y. Parker, Sara Whitehead, M.D., Cynthia J. Berg, M.D.

Division of Reproductive Health
National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion
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stealthyninja588 is not online. stealthyninja588
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23 May 2014 04:49 PM
"Their actions have consequences; people need to understand this." x2

And yes, the unborn are human and should be treated as such.
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23 May 2014 05:03 PM
personally, i feel that it should be available to whomever would like to do so.

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falsidge is not online. falsidge
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23 May 2014 05:36 PM
What are we killing in aborti-on? A human or a biologic mass that becomes a human? In order to answer this we need to know what makes up a human. Unfortunately there is no definite answer. People say it is the ego, spirit, person hood, humanity or whether it can feel or not. The fact that no one can answer this means that no one knows whether what makes up a human so we don't know whether we are killing a human or biological mass. Now would you kill something that might be a human? Would you risk killing a human?

If somehow someone answered exactly when something becomes a human you are still killing a thing that becomes human. You are killing the process of being human. The fact that we feel guilty when we abort shows that this thing is more of a human than a process.
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hadi81901 is not online. hadi81901
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23 May 2014 06:16 PM
its your fault for getting the human to begin with, unless of course force-rap-e

aborting it would be stupid
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TrueEssence is not online. TrueEssence
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23 May 2014 06:17 PM
I say it's wrong.

It's that simple.
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hadi81901 is not online. hadi81901
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23 May 2014 06:26 PM
the women has spoken ^

who r u again?
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USSRidoits32 is not online. USSRidoits32
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23 May 2014 06:28 PM
only if its due to rapping or the mothers life is in danger or teen pregnazy

anything else, just no
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LaFeministe is not online. LaFeministe
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23 May 2014 06:56 PM
Can any of you provide a structured argument as to why you're against it? It'd make your opposition much more credible.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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23 May 2014 06:59 PM
Because it's an unborn human, one day they could save a life, or come up with the cure for cancer or something, but they get killed before they can.
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DesiredShark is not online. DesiredShark
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23 May 2014 07:01 PM
Like LaFemineste or whatever said, it's technically not killing the foetus because the foetus hasn't grown a brain yet.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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23 May 2014 07:02 PM
So if someone is braindead, it's okay to murder them?
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DesiredShark is not online. DesiredShark
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23 May 2014 07:03 PM
"So if someone is braindead, it's okay to murder them?"

That's not what I am saying. I'm saying it's okay to take the foetus out before it develops a brain, thus, the foetus unharmed.
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