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Re: can we agree 'no preflooding' is stupid

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Inversus is not online. Inversus
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
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17 May 2014 01:42 PM
seriously, why do any clans have this rule
it's basically an excuse for the defending clan to spend as long as they want rallying members so it's impossible for raiders to defend at their often very bias forts (since most clans that use this make their forts bias.)

honestly if you can't cope with defending you're fort without 20 minutes notice from raiders why are you even here
defending is usually at least a little bias to defenders, and either way clans are always more practised in their own fort
so why do you need to have the advantage of putting members into your fort first
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mickyy5 is not online. mickyy5
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17 May 2014 01:44 PM
Preflooding is fine as long as the raiders stay at spawn, some clans put this rule in place because sometimes the raiders will take over the fort and sit waiting for defenders, which is not the point of raiding.
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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17 May 2014 01:45 PM
That's why most clans have anti-ESR rules.
If they start raiding before defenders get there, then of course they should be kicked.

Else...
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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17 May 2014 01:46 PM
agreed

and the ppl that have

"u must pm a hr b4 u raid"
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mickyy5 is not online. mickyy5
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17 May 2014 01:46 PM
Some clans are just either inactive or so scared of losing that they will do anything to stop it, they think losing will ruin their life.
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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17 May 2014 01:47 PM
"u must pm a hr b4 u raid"

I've seen a rule where you have to pm all online hrs
qq
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Sealitey is not online. Sealitey
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17 May 2014 01:48 PM
I think it's a good rule just because the defenders wouldn't be able to defend when the whole server is filled raiders.

This has happened to clans I've been in multiple times.
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Sealitey is not online. Sealitey
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17 May 2014 01:48 PM
The "You must PM a HR before raiding" is a stupid rule.
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MissAntarctica is not online. MissAntarctica
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17 May 2014 01:49 PM
dafu is this rule?

when i was active this rule didnt exist
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Shiverless is not online. Shiverless
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17 May 2014 01:49 PM
100% support
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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17 May 2014 01:50 PM
-"I think it's a good rule just because the defenders wouldn't be able to defend when the whole server is filled raiders."

yeah that's the argument for it
but that's why clans have minimum member rules
e.g. '5 members for an official raid'
just have that rule in your base


-'The "You must PM a HR before raiding" is a stupid rule.'

you do realise that if a clan has the 'no preflooding' rule then you will have to pm a hr before raiding in order to not preflood most of the time
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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17 May 2014 01:50 PM
'when i was active this rule didnt exist'

yes
things have deteriorated this far
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LordDrewster is not online. LordDrewster
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17 May 2014 01:52 PM
I have that rule in place, but the raiders can launch as soon as 5 RB show up. We don't rally for defenses either. We also only count it a flooded server if 26/30 are there, because 5 RB would never be able to get in.


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Sealitey is not online. Sealitey
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17 May 2014 01:52 PM
"5 members for an official raid"

That rule can't apply when the defenders can't even get into the server. Raid leaders cannot kick there own raiders.

Also, the "You must PM a HR before a raid" doesn't have to apply.
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Yorkshiretroniks is not online. Yorkshiretroniks
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17 May 2014 01:52 PM
THE PROBLEM WITH PREFLOODING, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IS THAT IT FILLS UP THE SERVER
AND EVEN IF IT DOES MANAGE TO BECOME OFFICIAL, IT EITHER WON'T STAY IT OR THE DEFENDERS WILL END UP LOSING (IT DEPENDS ON THE FORT'S SYSTEMS)

WHEN TSG RAIDED TRA A LOT, TSG PREFLOODED ALL THE TIME
IF WE MANAGED TO GET 5 TRA IN, WE DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST 13 TSG REGARDLESS OF HOW GOOD WE ARE


THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS KO SYSTEMS ARE BETTER THAN TERMINAL SYSTEMS TOO
KO SYSTEMS AREN'T DEPENDENT ON EVEN NUMBERS, WHILE TERMINAL SYSTEMS ARE
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Sealitey is not online. Sealitey
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17 May 2014 01:53 PM
@LordDrewster

This is what I'm trying to say.
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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17 May 2014 01:53 PM
unfortunately @lorddrewster most clans abuse the rule, and count it as something different
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Yorkshiretroniks is not online. Yorkshiretroniks
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17 May 2014 01:54 PM
BASICALLY
NO PREFLOODING = DEFENDERS WIN
PREFLOODING = RAIDERS WIN

YOU CAN'T REALLY AVOID IT
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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17 May 2014 01:54 PM
this is part of wat ruins clans tbh

ppl shud stop worrying about winning or losing(ofc its important but honestly come on)

ppl focus and play dirty just to not lose

im in tgi and wen rat was raiding, we were ordered to not go into their server and to make them come to ours

its just stupid
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LordDrewster is not online. LordDrewster
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17 May 2014 01:54 PM
I know. Some clans crash the raiders for having brought 10 into the server.


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Sealitey is not online. Sealitey
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17 May 2014 01:54 PM
@York

You can.

Just do what LordDrewster said.
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gamma2244 is not online. gamma2244
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17 May 2014 01:55 PM
"I've seen a rule where you have to pm all online hrs"

Imagine having to do that for FEAR, at that time of day when EVERYONE is online ;-;

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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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17 May 2014 01:55 PM
'Raid leaders cannot kick there own raiders.'

they can ask them to leave though, which is pretty simple

"Also, the "You must PM a HR before a raid" doesn't have to apply."

then how are there going to be enough defenders for an official raid..?
they aren't going to magically use their spidey senses to figure out that someone is wanting to raid ://
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Yorkshiretroniks is not online. Yorkshiretroniks
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17 May 2014 01:57 PM
IN MY EXPERIENCE, SEALITY
THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM
BECAUSE IN A 30 PLAYER SERVER WITH 5 DEFENDERS
IT'S STILL 25 V 5
UNLESS THE FORT IS EXTREMELY OP, THE RAIDERS CAN'T FILL IT, OR ALL 5 OF THE DEFENDERS ARE AGENTGRUA, THE RAIDERS ARE GOING TO WIN
UNLESS THEY'RE FEAR
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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17 May 2014 01:57 PM
YORKSHIRE WHY DO YOU SPEAK IN CAPITALS
AGHERGOH
BUT SERIOUSLY, TRA'S FORT ISN'T THAT FAIR, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIN WHEN THEY'RE OUTNUMBERED A LITTLE

AND MAYBE DURING A WAR YOU COULD AGREE NOT TO PREFLOOD
BUT FOR DAY IN DAY OUT CASUAL RAIDING PREFLOODING RULES ARE PRETTY POINTLESS


and I agree @neder
so what some people have flooded you
get over it and defend your base
it's boring if you always outnumber raiders :/
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