Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:42 PM |
seriously, why do any clans have this rule it's basically an excuse for the defending clan to spend as long as they want rallying members so it's impossible for raiders to defend at their often very bias forts (since most clans that use this make their forts bias.)
honestly if you can't cope with defending you're fort without 20 minutes notice from raiders why are you even here defending is usually at least a little bias to defenders, and either way clans are always more practised in their own fort so why do you need to have the advantage of putting members into your fort first |
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mickyy5
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| 17 May 2014 01:44 PM |
| Preflooding is fine as long as the raiders stay at spawn, some clans put this rule in place because sometimes the raiders will take over the fort and sit waiting for defenders, which is not the point of raiding. |
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Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:45 PM |
That's why most clans have anti-ESR rules. If they start raiding before defenders get there, then of course they should be kicked.
Else... |
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| 17 May 2014 01:46 PM |
agreed
and the ppl that have
"u must pm a hr b4 u raid" |
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mickyy5
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| 17 May 2014 01:46 PM |
| Some clans are just either inactive or so scared of losing that they will do anything to stop it, they think losing will ruin their life. |
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Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:47 PM |
"u must pm a hr b4 u raid"
I've seen a rule where you have to pm all online hrs qq |
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Sealitey
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| 17 May 2014 01:48 PM |
I think it's a good rule just because the defenders wouldn't be able to defend when the whole server is filled raiders.
This has happened to clans I've been in multiple times. |
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Sealitey
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| 17 May 2014 01:48 PM |
| The "You must PM a HR before raiding" is a stupid rule. |
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| 17 May 2014 01:49 PM |
dafu is this rule?
when i was active this rule didnt exist |
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Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:50 PM |
-"I think it's a good rule just because the defenders wouldn't be able to defend when the whole server is filled raiders."
yeah that's the argument for it but that's why clans have minimum member rules e.g. '5 members for an official raid' just have that rule in your base
-'The "You must PM a HR before raiding" is a stupid rule.'
you do realise that if a clan has the 'no preflooding' rule then you will have to pm a hr before raiding in order to not preflood most of the time |
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Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:50 PM |
'when i was active this rule didnt exist'
yes things have deteriorated this far |
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| 17 May 2014 01:52 PM |
I have that rule in place, but the raiders can launch as soon as 5 RB show up. We don't rally for defenses either. We also only count it a flooded server if 26/30 are there, because 5 RB would never be able to get in.
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Sealitey
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| 17 May 2014 01:52 PM |
"5 members for an official raid"
That rule can't apply when the defenders can't even get into the server. Raid leaders cannot kick there own raiders.
Also, the "You must PM a HR before a raid" doesn't have to apply. |
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| 17 May 2014 01:52 PM |
THE PROBLEM WITH PREFLOODING, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IS THAT IT FILLS UP THE SERVER AND EVEN IF IT DOES MANAGE TO BECOME OFFICIAL, IT EITHER WON'T STAY IT OR THE DEFENDERS WILL END UP LOSING (IT DEPENDS ON THE FORT'S SYSTEMS)
WHEN TSG RAIDED TRA A LOT, TSG PREFLOODED ALL THE TIME IF WE MANAGED TO GET 5 TRA IN, WE DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST 13 TSG REGARDLESS OF HOW GOOD WE ARE
THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS KO SYSTEMS ARE BETTER THAN TERMINAL SYSTEMS TOO KO SYSTEMS AREN'T DEPENDENT ON EVEN NUMBERS, WHILE TERMINAL SYSTEMS ARE |
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Sealitey
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| 17 May 2014 01:53 PM |
@LordDrewster
This is what I'm trying to say. |
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Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:53 PM |
| unfortunately @lorddrewster most clans abuse the rule, and count it as something different |
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| 17 May 2014 01:54 PM |
BASICALLY NO PREFLOODING = DEFENDERS WIN PREFLOODING = RAIDERS WIN
YOU CAN'T REALLY AVOID IT |
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| 17 May 2014 01:54 PM |
this is part of wat ruins clans tbh
ppl shud stop worrying about winning or losing(ofc its important but honestly come on)
ppl focus and play dirty just to not lose
im in tgi and wen rat was raiding, we were ordered to not go into their server and to make them come to ours
its just stupid |
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| 17 May 2014 01:54 PM |
I know. Some clans crash the raiders for having brought 10 into the server.
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Sealitey
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| 17 May 2014 01:54 PM |
@York
You can.
Just do what LordDrewster said. |
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gamma2244
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| 17 May 2014 01:55 PM |
"I've seen a rule where you have to pm all online hrs"
Imagine having to do that for FEAR, at that time of day when EVERYONE is online ;-;
"may i clean your room today senpai?"-Crakkitty, my favorite maid ಥ_ಥ | Strike Fleet opening late summer 2014 |
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Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:55 PM |
'Raid leaders cannot kick there own raiders.'
they can ask them to leave though, which is pretty simple
"Also, the "You must PM a HR before a raid" doesn't have to apply."
then how are there going to be enough defenders for an official raid..? they aren't going to magically use their spidey senses to figure out that someone is wanting to raid :// |
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| 17 May 2014 01:57 PM |
IN MY EXPERIENCE, SEALITY THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE IN A 30 PLAYER SERVER WITH 5 DEFENDERS IT'S STILL 25 V 5 UNLESS THE FORT IS EXTREMELY OP, THE RAIDERS CAN'T FILL IT, OR ALL 5 OF THE DEFENDERS ARE AGENTGRUA, THE RAIDERS ARE GOING TO WIN UNLESS THEY'RE FEAR |
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Inversus
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| 17 May 2014 01:57 PM |
YORKSHIRE WHY DO YOU SPEAK IN CAPITALS AGHERGOH BUT SERIOUSLY, TRA'S FORT ISN'T THAT FAIR, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIN WHEN THEY'RE OUTNUMBERED A LITTLE
AND MAYBE DURING A WAR YOU COULD AGREE NOT TO PREFLOOD BUT FOR DAY IN DAY OUT CASUAL RAIDING PREFLOODING RULES ARE PRETTY POINTLESS
and I agree @neder so what some people have flooded you get over it and defend your base it's boring if you always outnumber raiders :/ |
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