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Re: Fance gets such a bad rap for surrendering in WWII

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bibbs123 is not online. bibbs123
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16 May 2014 02:59 PM
Like they lost so many people in WWI and their infrastructure was still bad. They tried with the Maginot Line (tried).

Do people forget they had control of most of Europe 3 separate times in history? And led one of the bloodiest and controversial revolutions in history?
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16 May 2014 03:44 PM
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16 May 2014 04:00 PM
What do you think happened to the German army after WWI?
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Xyrial is not online. Xyrial
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16 May 2014 04:12 PM
I agree fully.
Also, these three times in history were when? I know one was in the Napoleonic wars...but, I may no the other two but they may have slipped me mind.
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16 May 2014 04:13 PM
know* my*
I'm really tired today...
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DuckD0nald is not online. DuckD0nald
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16 May 2014 04:22 PM
France: aah Britain help me Germany and other countries are bullying me Britain help help me Britain Britain Britain Britain
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BritishBroadcasting is not online. BritishBroadcasting
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16 May 2014 04:45 PM
Why are there no credit cards in France? Because they can't say 'Charge!'
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bibbs123 is not online. bibbs123
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16 May 2014 04:47 PM
Charlemagne, Philip V, Napoleon
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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16 May 2014 05:03 PM
Tons of great French Generals were some of the greatest of all time, specifically Napoleon, Charlemagne, Ferdinand Foch etc.

It also is not like other nations never lost a war either.. England: 100 years war, Saint Sardos, Austrian Succession etc. USA: Vietnam War and 1812 [can be argued as a Pyrrhic Victory], Germany: WW1, WW2 and Border war.

They lost - so what every nation has.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 May 2014 05:17 PM
They sort of lost their good rep after WWII... That still doesn't excuse Americans from hating someone who was their ally ever since they became independant.
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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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16 May 2014 05:19 PM
They lost - so what every nation has.

Expect France was one of the most powerful nations on this planet and has one of the most decorated military histories. When a nation such as that looses within such a short amount of time... People tend to remember such a terrible defeat.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 May 2014 05:20 PM
Mage, that's not even the reason most people hate France.
Hint: it's about bandwagoning.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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16 May 2014 05:36 PM
Expect France was one of the most powerful nations on this planet and has one of the most decorated military histories. When a nation such as that looses within such a short amount of time... People tend to remember such a terrible defeat.
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And britian would have lost the same if they weren't an island. You can even see that if you look at the battles from early in the war.
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16 May 2014 05:52 PM
And britian would have lost the same if they weren't an island. You can even see that if you look at the battles from early in the war.

Can you prove this? This looks like speculation to me. Russia got beat back in their early battles with Germany. And look what happened in the east.
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16 May 2014 06:18 PM
You are aware that when the Weimar Republic asked for a pause in war reparations, the French marched into Germany and took over the Ruhr?
Not saying the National Socialists were the good guys, but France kind of had it coming.

(btw if you don't know what I just said go look it up)
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Superdestructo09 is not online. Superdestructo09
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16 May 2014 06:21 PM
@mage,
The Russians were not accredited with the best military strategy; half the time they blindly charged positions. What truly knocked out the Germans, like with Napoleon, was the Russian winter (I would assume).
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16 May 2014 06:21 PM
4: Most of the soldiers lived to fight another day not compared to the soviets however.
3: More soviet armory was destroyed
2: ^
1:^

You're assuming that England has an [almost] unlimited amount of men which is not the case at all. Soviets won due to Zhukov's mastery defenses and Bagration for the most part. Egnland (Assuming there is a landbridge from their island to europe. Doesn't have the material advantage like the soviets did.
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16 May 2014 06:25 PM
You're assuming that England has an [almost] unlimited amount of men which is not the case at all. Soviets won due to Zhukov's mastery defenses and Bagration for the most part. Egnland (Assuming there is a landbridge from their island to europe. Doesn't have the material advantage like the soviets did.


I'm not debating that. I'm saying you have no definitive evidence that would prove Britain would loose if they were not separated from mainland Europe. Those examples were merely to illustrate that early setbacks don't mean the end of a war.
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16 May 2014 06:28 PM
Britain's main power comes in their Navy and their Air Force. If the Luftwaffe did what they did to Poland, and Britain were not separated from the mainland, Britain would be screwed.
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16 May 2014 06:29 PM
I'm not debating that. I'm saying you have no definitive evidence that would prove Britain would loose if they were not separated from mainland Europe. Those examples were merely to illustrate that early setbacks don't mean the end of a war.
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Very well and it is true that the early period is not the defining period to the war. But what is stopping Germany after the battle of France from just steam rolling Brtiain after they already had a large part of their army destroyed. Not to mention if Germany decides to capture the ports of Brtian first the war is already over due to supplies from India, USA and other places not coming in.
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16 May 2014 06:32 PM
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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16 May 2014 06:33 PM
charlemagne was a german
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And the french people originate from the Frankish tribe so what's your point.
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Superdestructo09 is not online. Superdestructo09
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16 May 2014 06:35 PM
french people originate from the Frankish tribe
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uh no
they originate from the Gauls
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