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Re: What is wrong with Annexation?

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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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10 May 2014 04:30 PM
Historically Europe's boarders were always changing. So why does it matter if small provinces get annexed?
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JamesGalt is not online. JamesGalt
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10 May 2014 04:38 PM
Geopolitics
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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10 May 2014 05:47 PM
Are you joking? Annexing is stealing other people's hard work and naming it your own.
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zachzach74 is not online. zachzach74
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10 May 2014 06:07 PM
Depends on the situation. Adolf's Germany annexing the Netherlands? No. South Korea annexing North Korea after a war? Yeah.
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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10 May 2014 07:20 PM
whats wrong with stealing?
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Snapping is not online. Snapping
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10 May 2014 08:29 PM
Because a feeling of patriotism and unification under a nationality is what usually makes people give a flying fart about their nation/state/city/whatever. When a foreign power comes and takes over, that feeling is lost and the populace is angry at being ruled by a foreign power that occupied their region, making it look weak.
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wyattthenoobhater is not online. wyattthenoobhater
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11 May 2014 01:45 AM
Extra! Extra! Read all about it! US annexes Canada!
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sekretaryuk is not online. sekretaryuk
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11 May 2014 01:00 PM
Yes, Russia totally stole Crime, especially considering the fact that Crimea and the rest of the Southeast of the modern day Ukraine were never a part of Ukraine until 1991.

Totally stealing territories. It would be considered stealing if Crimea was a part of Mongolia, and then Russia would annex it. That would be foul play. In this case, fair.
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zachzach74 is not online. zachzach74
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11 May 2014 01:12 PM
"never a part of Ukraine until 1991"

Except Ukraine wasn't even a country until then because of the Soviet Union except for before the Soviet Union
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sekretaryuk is not online. sekretaryuk
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11 May 2014 10:51 PM
One issue with that: even before the Soviet Union, Ukraine never was a country. Since 13th century up to now, Ukraine as a country existed for about 100 years in total.
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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12 May 2014 12:35 AM
Ukraine itself is a vague word that simply means "borderlands"
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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12 May 2014 05:28 AM
Totally stealing territories.
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No. If this was the case then we should revert Europe back to OPM's because, Germany, France, Austria, Hungry, Romania, Greece etc stole the territories from tiny states like The Palatinate.
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SuperNovah12 is not online. SuperNovah12
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12 May 2014 05:57 AM
Because they can.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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12 May 2014 07:16 PM
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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12 May 2014 09:03 PM
Because we don't live in a world of empires anymore, we live in a world of nation states. Empires are fundamentally oppressive while nation state have allowed for more human development in 50 years than 5000 years of empires did.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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13 May 2014 10:59 AM
Because we don't live in a world of empires anymore, we live in a world of nation states. Empires are fundamentally oppressive while nation state have allowed for more human development in 50 years than 5000 years of empires did.
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When you say human development do you mean the arts? Because, the best time for the arts was the Renaissance. Or do you mean technological where despite being technologically more advanced the most impressive time was 2nd Century-10th Century.

A lot of the stuff we have now would not be here without that. Also empires _can_ allow free subjects (re: Napoleon's Empire)
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rachetandclank2 is not online. rachetandclank2
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13 May 2014 11:04 AM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

And we all know some leaders of their countries didn't get a passing grade in their history exam.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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13 May 2014 11:15 AM
And we all know some leaders of their countries didn't get a passing grade in their history exam.
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Elaborate.
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rachetandclank2 is not online. rachetandclank2
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13 May 2014 11:29 AM
@Flatline

Satire.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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13 May 2014 04:50 PM
When you say human development do you mean the arts? Because, the best time for the arts was the Renaissance. Or do you mean technological where despite being technologically more advanced the most impressive time was 2nd Century-10th Century.
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Standard of living. We are much better off now than our ancestors were.

A lot of the stuff we have now would not be here without that. Also empires _can_ allow free subjects (re: Napoleon's Empire)
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But at the expense of other empire. Remember that war costs money. The same way the US has been going bankrupt on overseas wars, other countries can too. This creates debt which is ultimately the burden of the next generation.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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13 May 2014 07:33 PM
Standard of living. We are much better off now than our ancestors were.
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This is mostly due to technology and the way we think about human capital than anything else. Which comes from developing the ideologies of Capitalism, Marxism, Socialism and etc. All of which by the way was created by empires.

But at the expense of other empire. Remember that war costs money. The same way the US has been going bankrupt on overseas wars, other countries can too. This creates debt which is ultimately the burden of the next generation.
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The US is going broke mostly due to its increased regulations that prohibit employers from hiring like they'd want and Switching to retail and finance over real things like industry and the technological market.

The wars are a factor but even without any funding to the DoD and its subsidiaries we would STILL not be able to pay off the debt accrued. It is a spending problem not an income one.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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13 May 2014 07:51 PM
This is mostly due to technology and the way we think about human capital than anything else. Which comes from developing the ideologies of Capitalism, Marxism, Socialism and etc. All of which by the way was created by empires.
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Capitalism is inherently anti-Imperialism. Capitalism advocates limited government intervention. Invading and annexing a country or region is pretty much the absolute opposite.


The US is going broke mostly due to its increased regulations that prohibit employers from hiring like they'd want and Switching to retail and finance over real things like industry and the technological market.

The wars are a factor but even without any funding to the DoD and its subsidiaries we would STILL not be able to pay off the debt accrued. It is a spending problem not an income one.
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Again, still a big factor.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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13 May 2014 07:59 PM
Capitalism is inherently anti-Imperialism. Capitalism advocates limited government intervention. Invading and annexing a country or region is pretty much the absolute opposite.
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Capitalism advocates against government intervening in its peoples life it is not a political ideology. It is for economic usage only. Capitalism doesn't even know what war is in a similar war the Constitution doesn't know what the electoral college is.

And considering it was developed in the English Empire and used by England a lot while they were an empire... Yea.

Again, still a big factor.
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Not big enough to drive us bankrupt. It is mostly the spending on benefits that is driving us bankrupt. Not saying only to cut benefits - I want dramatic cuts across the board however most of the budget is made up of benefits so.
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13 May 2014 08:06 PM
Capitalism advocates against government intervening in its peoples life it is not a political ideology. It is for economic usage only. Capitalism doesn't even know what war is in a similar war the Constitution doesn't know what the electoral college is.
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Except imperialism suppresses the rights of other people to be free. It has to interfere in the lives of it's people in order to survive. If it doesn't, there will be independence revolutions by places it conquers. The only way to stop these revolutions is by forcefully setting them down, but if you suppress the freedom of speech, you lose freedom.


And considering it was developed in the English Empire and used by England a lot while they were an empire... Yea.
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Trade colonies and settlements were operated by the government. They had strict control over colonies.


Not big enough to drive us bankrupt. It is mostly the spending on benefits that is driving us bankrupt. Not saying only to cut benefits - I want dramatic cuts across the board however most of the budget is made up of benefits so.
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Yes but wars are still a factor.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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13 May 2014 08:20 PM
Except imperialism suppresses the rights of other people to be free. It has to interfere in the lives of it's people in order to survive. If it doesn't, there will be independence revolutions by places it conquers. The only way to stop these revolutions is by forcefully setting them down, but if you suppress the freedom of speech, you lose freedom.
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Except no. What it does do is suppress your right to self determination. Rebellions are also not as popular as you think. According to wikipedia there were about (Incomplete list) 17 revolts in the BC's/BCE. And Napoleon never suppressed free speach as far as I know take this except:

"The Civil Code writers tried to achieve a compromise between the past and the revolution. The Civil Code eliminated feudal and royal privileges in favor of all citizens’ equality before the law. It included some rights such as freedom of speech and worship along with public trial by jury. It allowed individuals to choose their own occupation. But it banned worker organizations, and the employer’s word was to be taken over that of his employee." [Source: http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-15-2-a-the-code-napoleon]

Trade colonies and settlements were operated by the government. They had strict control over colonies.
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Please brush up on your history of India. Here is another excerpt:

"The East India Company had the unusual distinction of ruling an entire country.Its origins were much humbler. On 31 December 1600, a group of merchants who had incorporated themselves into the East India Company were given monopoly privileges on all trade with the East Indies. The Company's ships first arrived in India, at the port of Surat, in 1608. Sir Thomas Roe reached the court of the Mughal Emperor, Jahangir, as the emissary of King James I in 1615, and gained for the British the right to establish a factory at Surat."

[Source: https://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/British/EAco.html]

The only way for trade to be successful anyways is you to trade with other countries. Simply put they took the resources from the rich Indies and traded them on the market for profits of epic proportions. Also Britain only over took the East India Company when it couldn't quell a revolt of angry ex-soldiers.\

Yes but wars are still a factor.
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Not enough to bring down a nation in their era which is my point. Not saying it wasn't a factor but I am saying there are more things that contribute to it
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