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Re: Unconventional warfare, and it's application to roblox

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z5151 is not online. z5151
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06 May 2014 12:28 AM
"The general objective of unconventional warfare is to instill a belief that peace and security are not possible without compromise or concession."

In laymans terms, the objective is to cause an internal upset without use of conventional warfare. A good unconventional warfare team can incite a full scale rebellion, or civil war, within a hostile country.

This can apply to roblox in more ways than you think. Very few clans have taken the incentive to practice this method, because it requires a group of people with extreme intelligence and perception, as well as a lifestyle of secrecy that the internet does not provide for.

A unconventional warfare team has one goal: to infiltrate a hostile clan and cause as much as a ruckus as possible. This does not mean admin attacking or burst of moronic spamming on the wall. Both of those actions can easily be repaired by the group leader. A good team can enter a clan, and portray a sincere desire to help the clan, with their best intentions in mind. Once they've won the hearts of the members, they begin to slowly erode away at troop morale. This alone can destroy a clan beyond repair, but sometimes further involvement is required. At this point, a civil war can be sparked, or a revolt on leadership because the team has convinced the member core that the leader is inadequate. This is a simple, yet permanent, method to internally destroy a clan, without a single shot being fired. Your clans name remains out of it, and you get the satisfaction of being one of the few to know the true reason the clan has destroyed it's self.

If you've stuck around and read this entire post, you should posses the mental capability of learning this art. You can find unconventional warfare handbooks and instruction manuals online, it's your job to take the real life methods, and adapt them to roblox.
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SantaCruz81 is not online. SantaCruz81
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06 May 2014 12:32 AM
So you're basically talking about a group of butt buddies whose only goal is to be annoying and slow everythinh down?
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z5151 is not online. z5151
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06 May 2014 12:33 AM
I don't expect any replies, as educational threads always go unnoticed. I'm hoping that the few of you online tonight will read this, and take the incentive to make this a prominent feature of clans.

There is nothing more satisfactory than knowing that you brought an entire organization to it's knees with just your mind.
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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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06 May 2014 12:35 AM
You've already gotten a reply, Vydrak. However, it's usually the case that such competent people aren't generally in excess and should, and usually are, put to use furthering their own clan rather than bringing about the demise of other clans.

Also, there have been numerous examples of insurrections throughout the history of the clan world... the reality is, if a group can be taken down by a few, or even 50% of it's officers betraying it, then it was never truly worth the time to take down in the first place.
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z5151 is not online. z5151
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06 May 2014 12:37 AM
"So you're basically talking about a group of butt buddies whose only goal is to be annoying and slow everythinh down?"

I'm going to assume that you only skimmed the thread, or your comprehension skills are very undeveloped.

I specified that minor annoyances are easily repairable, and very immature of a method compared to true unconventional warfare.

The goal is to cause the clan to entirely destroy itself from the inside. It's only been successfully accomplished a few times, but the results are staggering.
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SantaCruz81 is not online. SantaCruz81
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06 May 2014 12:37 AM
I had to read it a few times.

You're taking something that could be said simply and making it to complex.

Either that, or I need to go to bed because its getting late and my brain is frying.

What you're basically saying is that if you get a team of spies to spark to spark conflict in a group you can ruin a clan from the inside.
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2014 12:38 AM
"So you're basically talking about a group of butt buddies whose only goal is to be annoying and slow everythinh down?"

no, getting legitimate looking alts to mid or even high ranks in an enemy group then slowly destroying the group in miscellaneous ways is more helpful than you would think

i've done it with multiple groups of mine
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RaidingCorp is not online. RaidingCorp
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06 May 2014 12:38 AM
mind = blown
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z5151 is not online. z5151
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06 May 2014 12:41 AM
"You've already gotten a reply, Vydrak. However, it's usually the case that such competent people aren't generally in excess and should, and usually are, put to use furthering their own clan rather than bringing about the demise of other clans.

Also, there have been numerous examples of insurrections throughout the history of the clan world... the reality is, if a group can be taken down by a few, or even 50% of it's officers betraying it, then it was never truly worth the time to take down in the first place."

I'm not Vydrak.

I'm in total support for those who create rather than destroy. I'm just trying to promote the value of intelligence in clans.

And any clan can be taken down, it's just not always an easy undertaking.
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SantaCruz81 is not online. SantaCruz81
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06 May 2014 12:42 AM
Gosh everyone is getting mad at me for skimming through the thread because its late and im too tired/lazy to read thouroughly
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z5151 is not online. z5151
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06 May 2014 12:46 AM
"What you're basically saying is that if you get a team of spies to spark to spark conflict in a group you can ruin a clan from the inside."

Not at all. There is no use for a spy in the clan world, as there is no information of value in a clan. Sparking a conflict is a rough summary. It's better described as the power of influence to get the members of the clan to destroy it's self.

The overall goal is to turn it's members into the perfect weapon, without them knowing that their actions will ruin the clan.
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gunnerycaptainprice is not online. gunnerycaptainprice
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06 May 2014 12:51 AM
So send people into a clan to teach little kids to revolt against "the power" and "the man" and teaching them that all people in power are bad and that they should be the ones in power.

And manipulating them and bending their minds to your own will.

Do you want revolution and communism.

Because this is how you get revolution communism.
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SantaCruz81 is not online. SantaCruz81
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06 May 2014 12:59 AM
I know there isn't really any information of value in any clan, thus making spies pointless.

When I said spies, I meant people on an alternative account sneaking into the clan to do any damage they can.

But yeah, influencing members to become bad members can ruin a clan.


I don't like this type of stuff though. It makes the jobs for people who are actually trying to do some good for the clan much harder.



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z5151 is not online. z5151
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06 May 2014 01:11 AM
It's not beneficial to clans as a whole, but the intention behind it is. Intelligence will always beat brawn. Not always in direct conflict, but in the long run.
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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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06 May 2014 01:35 AM
Well, that's the last time I write two replies at once. Sorry about that, Z5. Anyway, the reality is that any clan that can be destroyed by this method is probably not worth destroying by this method. If you did this to FC, TGI, Vak, they'd recover in virtually no time at all, in the meantime you've wasted an incredible amount of time to get that high up.

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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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06 May 2014 01:37 AM
Also, Z5, the "hip" way to win these days is to make your base so OP that it's nearly impossible to win at.
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shadowelliot2302 is not online. shadowelliot2302
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06 May 2014 01:37 AM
much unconvention
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itstimeforadventure is not online. itstimeforadventure
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06 May 2014 01:41 AM
Well I have actually read about unconventional warfare, from a green berets book. It wasn't very detailed because the LT or captain had to do the course twice and only explained a tour in the caribbean.
I have thought of using them before, which they are basically mercs. But more like, I scratch your back, you scratch mine.
Etc.

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