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Re: i want to have a serious pc vs. console debate

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Propellerhead4 is not online. Propellerhead4
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19 Apr 2014 11:44 AM
someone make claims against pc and i will attempt to refute them
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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19 Apr 2014 11:46 AM
I find PC's complicated.
"Urgh den ur just a pleb"
That's how the "arguments" usually go.
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catmanistheman is not online. catmanistheman
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19 Apr 2014 11:46 AM
"i"
Why only this "i"?
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Propellerhead4 is not online. Propellerhead4
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19 Apr 2014 11:47 AM
"I find PC's complicated."

please argue something non subjective
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 11:51 AM
if pcs are "complicated" you obviously have no interest in the pc gaming platform.
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AntiJokeCat is not online. AntiJokeCat
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19 Apr 2014 11:54 AM
i prefer PC's to be honest but i'll make a point for the consoles anyway

the architecture and physical structure of the hardware in the consoles allow for great optimization that PC's find hard to do, e.g Uncharted 3 was an amazing looking game that ran on very little ram and weak hardware and that was because developers knew how to utilize the hardware well. whilst a game of graphical fidelity like uncharted 3 could easily be done on the PC, the requirements for it would be extremely high due to its hardware structure

^^ this is probably an extremely weak point
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catmanistheman is not online. catmanistheman
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19 Apr 2014 11:55 AM
"^^ this is probably an extremely weak point"
Better then most console gamers would up.
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catmanistheman is not online. catmanistheman
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19 Apr 2014 11:56 AM
*Would bring up
One sec I need to get a coffee...
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 11:59 AM
"the architecture and physical structure of the hardware in the consoles allow for great optimization that PC's find hard to do, e.g Uncharted 3 was an amazing looking game that ran on very little ram and weak hardware and that was because developers knew how to utilize the hardware well. whilst a game of graphical fidelity like uncharted 3 could easily be done on the PC, the requirements for it would be extremely high due to its hardware structure"
xbox one: 450 dollars
gaming pc equivalent: ~500 dollars

not much of a difference, especially considering hardware is always having sales.
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AntiJokeCat is not online. AntiJokeCat
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19 Apr 2014 12:02 PM
"xbox one: 450 dollars
gaming pc equivalent: ~500 dollars

not much of a difference, especially considering hardware is always having sales."

i'm talking about how the hardware structure of consoles can allow for some better optimization, not about the prices of hardware
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 12:04 PM
"'m talking about how the hardware structure of consoles can allow for some better optimization, not about the prices of hardware"
Optimization doesn't mean anything if you can get a high end piece of hardware that performs the same at a similar price
also on pc you can put your hardware to more than games
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ChevroletFord is not online. ChevroletFord
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19 Apr 2014 12:04 PM
i feel that consoles are poopidoodiheads
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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19 Apr 2014 12:08 PM
I just want to buy a game, go home, put the disk in, play, and have fun.
I don't mind "specs" or "textures" or any of that.
But I can see why people care. They want to be FULLY IMMERSED.
But eh, not for me.
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AntiJokeCat is not online. AntiJokeCat
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19 Apr 2014 12:09 PM
"Optimization doesn't mean anything if you can get a high end piece of hardware that performs the same at a similar price"

but when you made comparisons to said prices you compared it to the Xbox One price

when I was talking about the PS3 and Uncharted 3

and I doubt a 500 dollar PC (which is like 300 pounds here) can run BF4 at 900p 60 frames per second with the equivalent of medium settings
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 12:11 PM
"I just want to buy a game, go home, put the disk in, play, and have fun.
I don't mind "specs" or "textures" or any of that.
But I can see why people care. They want to be FULLY IMMERSED.
But eh, not for me."

meanwhile on pc

Go home, turn on pc, execute one of your many games on a reliable hard drive.
PCs have cheap game sales
also when you buy games you dont need a shelf to hold them
also if you want the graphics to look bad you CAN make them look bad
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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19 Apr 2014 12:13 PM
Go home, turn on pc, execute one of your many games on a reliable hard drive.
Console hard drives are reliable

PCs have cheap game sales
So does PSN.

also when you buy games you dont need a shelf to hold them
How many games do you have? If you have enough for an ENTIRE SHELF, then jeez...

also if you want the graphics to look bad you CAN make them look bad
Well I don't want them to look bad, but I wouldn't mind.
Granted, if Uncharted 4 looked like Pong I would have a problem, but still.
I don't care for "OOH GAWD 'DESE WAHTA TEXTUREZ!"
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 12:15 PM
"I don't care for "OOH GAWD 'DESE WAHTA TEXTUREZ!""

And neither do i. People get high end specs for pc so they can last. You can run in high settings now, and medium later on. The graphics are just so much better that it's noteworthy.
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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19 Apr 2014 12:17 PM
You can have your "noteworthy graphics."
I'll just play the game for fun.
Because y'know, that's what games are. Fun. Enjoyment.
I don't find looking up high-end specs and stuff "fun" or "enjoyable."
But I can see why some people do.
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 12:17 PM
Console hard drives are reliable

The PS4 and xbone don't have a 1 TB hard drive. You can upgrade it, but that's just extra money and the hard drive switched out is going to waste.
Most PS3s are xbox 360s don't have even 500 GB.

PCs have cheap game sales
So does PSN.

Steam has much more sales, and 3rd party websites supported by steam offer even more sales.
If you missed a sale, there's always someone that's willing to trade.
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 12:19 PM
"You can have your "noteworthy graphics."
I'll just play the game for fun.
Because y'know, that's what games are. Fun. Enjoyment.
I don't find looking up high-end specs and stuff "fun" or "enjoyable."
But I can see why some people do."

I play games for fun as well.
But PCs don't come in generations. We have to replace their parts when they get old.
We need to buy parts that last for a few years.
I don't see why having high end graphics is a bad thing. Like I said, you can get bad specs on pc if you want, or lower the graphics.
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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19 Apr 2014 12:20 PM


"The PS4 and xbone don't have a 1 TB hard drive. You can upgrade it, but that's just extra money and the hard drive switched out is going to waste.
Most PS3s are xbox 360s don't have even 500 GB."
500 GB is enough for me.



"Steam has much more sales, and 3rd party websites supported by steam offer even more sales.
If you missed a sale, there's always someone that's willing to trade."
So everything is free?
Because "much more sales" than PSN would = free.
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 12:21 PM
"So everything is free?
Because "much more sales" than PSN would = free."

this isnt about opinions
this is a debate
let's get back on track
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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19 Apr 2014 12:23 PM
"I play games for fun as well.
But PCs don't come in generations. We have to replace their parts when they get old.
We need to buy parts that last for a few years.
I don't see why having high end graphics is a bad thing. Like I said, you can get bad specs on pc if you want, or lower the graphics."

I'm not saying high-end graphics are a bad thing, I'm not saying they aren't vital.
Also, each console generation lasts 6-7 years, but the previous console continues to release games for another 3-4 years, so that's 9-10 years each console.
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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19 Apr 2014 12:24 PM
"this isnt about opinions
this is a debate
let's get back on track"
>Implying it's impossible to have a debate with opinions
Also, my post you quoted doesn't relate to opinions.
Did you copy and paste the wrong one on accident?
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ZangooseSlash is not online. ZangooseSlash
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19 Apr 2014 12:24 PM
"I'm not saying high-end graphics are a bad thing, I'm not saying they aren't vital.
Also, each console generation lasts 6-7 years, but the previous console continues to release games for another 3-4 years, so that's 9-10 years each console."

Have you seen retro-style games on the pc, or source games like left 4 dead

they can run on the worst of pcs around today
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