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Re: One of debating's golden rules [2]

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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 Apr 2014 10:47 PM
If you abruptly jump the gun and say you win the argument when someone uses a logical fallacy,
you lost the argument.
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anotheyvirtueii is not online. anotheyvirtueii
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16 Apr 2014 11:00 PM
Yeah, that's called fallacist fallacy. If you point out others making fallacies in a debate, you're hypocritically fallacious.
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NavyPanther is not online. NavyPanther
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16 Apr 2014 11:02 PM
I never say I win, I simple say they've lost, and I won't be considering anymore of what they have to say.

Using logical fallacies kills your argument, the others don't necessarily win, you just lose.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 Apr 2014 11:03 PM
Ad hominem isn't that bad of a fallacy... But if you can't take a few insults, you shouldn't be arguing.
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NavyPanther is not online. NavyPanther
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16 Apr 2014 11:06 PM
"Ad hominem isn't that bad of a fallacy... But if you can't take a few insults, you shouldn't be arguing."

Uh, no...if you can't handle arguing with resorting to insults, you shouldn't be arguing.

Insulting is a universal sign of idiocy and incompetence.
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anotheyvirtueii is not online. anotheyvirtueii
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16 Apr 2014 11:08 PM
"Ad hominem isn't that bad of a fallacy... But if you can't take a few insults, you shouldn't be arguing."

What?

Um, no, if you can't handle arguments, you shouldn't be arguing.

And it's a sign you can't handle arguments if you use insults. Again, there are few exceptions.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 Apr 2014 11:08 PM
Yet if you want to immediately say you won because the other person insults, you win?
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NavyPanther is not online. NavyPanther
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16 Apr 2014 11:09 PM
"Yet if you want to immediately say you won because the other person insults, you win?"

I never said that, made it clear that's not what I'm claiming. I'm not sure why you keep beating that horse.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 Apr 2014 11:10 PM
It's basically what you're saying.
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NavyPanther is not online. NavyPanther
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16 Apr 2014 11:13 PM
"It's basically what you're saying."

No, it's not. Even if you misinterpreted the first time, I made it clear that I was not claiming what you're trying to say I am.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 Apr 2014 11:14 PM
You never made anything clear, you're saying that you can take the easy way out and stop arguing once the other person uses ad hominem.
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anotheyvirtueii is not online. anotheyvirtueii
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16 Apr 2014 11:17 PM
Okay, I'll just be awkwardly leaving you two alone...
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NavyPanther is not online. NavyPanther
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16 Apr 2014 11:21 PM
"You never made anything clear, you're saying that you can take the easy way out and stop arguing once the other person uses ad hominem."

I did actually, several times now. You seem to be avoiding it...


I never said I can take an easy way out of an argument when another person uses a logical fallacy.

I did say that once someone uses a logical fallacy, they themselves lose.

This means that I am no longer obliged to consider what they have to say.

This DOES NOT mean I've won the argument, any other reasonable person can possibly debunk my argument and prove me wrong. I'm still in the argument, I'm still capable of being wrong, it's the person using logical fallacies that loses.




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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 Apr 2014 11:23 PM
IT IS CLAIMING, ONCE AGAIN, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO SOMEONE ONCE THEY'VE INSULTED YOU. THIS IS INCORRECT AND INVALID.
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NavyPanther is not online. NavyPanther
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16 Apr 2014 11:25 PM
"IT IS CLAIMING, ONCE AGAIN, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO SOMEONE ONCE THEY'VE INSULTED YOU. THIS IS INCORRECT AND INVALID."

By George, he's finally got it!...sorta.

It is correct, it is valid. If someone's acting stupid and throwing insults in the middle of an argument, they deserve zero attention.

But hey, props to you for finally getting what I've been saying.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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16 Apr 2014 11:27 PM
"*valid argument*
*valid argument*
*valid argument*
*valid argument*
*valid argument*
*valid argument*
*valid argument*
*valid argument with an insult*
*valid argument*
*valid argument*
*"you lost because you insulted a few minutes back"*
*victory party*"
Does that make any sense to you?
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NavyPanther is not online. NavyPanther
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16 Apr 2014 11:30 PM
No, it doesn't.

No, that's not what I'm implying.

You've seem to have slipped off again...good night.

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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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17 Apr 2014 12:24 AM
Yeah, that's called fallacist fallacy. If you point out others making fallacies in a debate, you're hypocritically fallacious.
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Actually, no. If someone uses a fallacy, you can demand they make a new argument on that specific area, but you can't declare yourself a winner.
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anotheyvirtueii is not online. anotheyvirtueii
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17 Apr 2014 12:25 AM
Did I say you could reply to me, Noah? Implying someone's argument's invalid because it is fallacious is fallacious in itself.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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17 Apr 2014 12:27 AM
It's not implying the argument is wrong, it is saying you have to restructure it.

"Please restructure that, you used a fallacy" is okay

"You used a fallacy, I win!" Is not okay
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anotheyvirtueii is not online. anotheyvirtueii
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17 Apr 2014 12:31 AM
But implying the argument can't be used (i.e. valid) because of a fallacy is a fallacy.
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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17 Apr 2014 12:42 AM
Oh, okay then. I'll remember to use that when I'm arguing with you.
*trollface*
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DuckD0nald is not online. DuckD0nald
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17 Apr 2014 07:13 AM
conservativ above.
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balakhninv396 is not online. balakhninv396
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17 Apr 2014 07:50 AM
look at you guys, argueing about argumental fallacies.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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17 Apr 2014 09:39 AM
But implying the argument can't be used (i.e. valid) because of a fallacy is a fallacy.
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Except that isn't what "Argument from Fallacy" is. Argument from Fallacy is when you declare the other person wrong because they used a logical fallacy. Pointing out their logic fallacy and demanding that they give a non-fallacious argument is not a fallacy, but declaring yourself the winner and walking away is a fallacy.
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