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Re: I'm sorry, but I don't want to be an emperor

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OTRainbowDash5000 is not online. OTRainbowDash5000
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13 Apr 2014 09:29 PM
That's not my business
I don't want to rule or conquer anyone
I should like to help everyone if possible
We all want to help one another, human beings are like that
We want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery
We don't want to hate and despise one another
In this world there's room for everyone and the good earth is rich
And can provide for everyone
The way of life can be free and beautiful
But we have lost the way
Greed has poisoned men's souls
Has barricaded the world with hate
Has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed
We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in
Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want
Our knowledge has made us cynical
Our cleverness hard and unkind
We think too much and feel too little

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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 09:30 PM
> We think too much and feel too little

I disagree
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Macarac is not online. Macarac
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13 Apr 2014 09:31 PM
The hate of men will pass, and dictators die
And the power they took from the people will return to the people
And so long as men die, liberty will never perish

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13 Apr 2014 09:33 PM
"I disagree"
I disagree with your disagreement.

@mac
Yeee, Mr FijiWijis mix.

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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 09:34 PM
> I disagree with your disagreement.


as I disagree with yours
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Venomaneous is not online. Venomaneous
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13 Apr 2014 09:35 PM
Original Poster is correct
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CasualJohney is not online. CasualJohney
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13 Apr 2014 09:36 PM
tl;dr




-"You muslim jewish man"-A idiot who shall remain nameless"
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13 Apr 2014 09:36 PM
"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die"

I always found this line particularly funny
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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 09:40 PM
> That's not my business
I don't want to rule or conquer anyone


who said you had to conquer?




> We all want to help one another, human beings are like that
We want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery


Not everyone.



> In this world there's room for everyone and the good earth is rich
And can provide for everyone

for the most part yes


> But we have lost the way
Greed has poisoned men's souls
Has barricaded the world with hate


as long as theres humans there is going to be greed



> Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want

We still hand want before machinery. greed will always be here for the most part


> Our knowledge has made us cynical
Our cleverness hard and unkind


but how?


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13 Apr 2014 09:40 PM
@pony
Maybe in the distant future, it will happen.
Maybe.

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13 Apr 2014 09:40 PM
to bad
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andrusandrew is not online. andrusandrew
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13 Apr 2014 09:41 PM
Yet being an emperor, you can change all of that.
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OTRainbowDash5000 is not online. OTRainbowDash5000
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13 Apr 2014 09:45 PM
@serbia
You are over analyzing this, but I will humor you anyways.
OP came from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL7t1DQw5e0

"Not everyone."
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
I dont believe many are truly evil. Maybe some, but not many.

"as long as theres humans there is going to be greed"
In a perfect world, there would be no want. Only satisfaction.

"We still hand want before machinery. greed will always be here for the most part"
Yes we did.

"but how?"
WMDs come to mind.

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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 09:47 PM
> The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
I dont believe many are truly evil. Maybe some, but not many.

Alright.



> In a perfect world, there would be no want. Only satisfaction.

well your perfect world is impossible



> WMDs come to mind.

How does thinking to much lead to WMD's?
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13 Apr 2014 09:52 PM
"well your perfect world is impossible"
For us, yes. But maybe over many generations.

"How does thinking to much lead to WMD's?"
It takes quite a bit of thought to create one. And to use one.
Using one is a decision which would require purely analytical thought.
Killing millions of innocent people, for what? Empathy would stop many from launching, as it has in the past.
IE: Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov.
Empathy stopped him from launching that nuke. If he had, the world would of descended into nuclear war.

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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 09:54 PM
> For us, yes. But maybe over many generations.

It is human nature to want.



> Killing millions of innocent people, for what? Empathy would stop many from launching, as it has in the past.
IE: Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov.
Empathy stopped him from launching that nuke. If he had, the world would of descended into nuclear war.


While yes, that is true, but it can be reversed. I'm going to use an example now .Hatred can want you to launch the nuke but logical thinking can stop it. Both feeling and thinking can be used for good or bad.
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13 Apr 2014 10:03 PM
"Hatred can want you to launch the nuke but logical thinking can stop it. Both feeling and thinking can be used for good or bad."
Logically, he should of launched that nuke.
Strategically he should of launched before the perceived attacks hit as a counter attack.

But feeling stopped him.

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13 Apr 2014 10:04 PM
"It is human nature to want."
Perhaps, until there is nothing left to want.
Maybe then.

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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 10:04 PM
> But feeling stopped him.


yes it did, but in my reversed scenario, logical thinking could of also did it.

What I am trying to say is both can be used for good, and both can be used for evil
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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 10:05 PM
> Perhaps, until there is nothing left to want.
Maybe then.


How would there be nothing left to want? Humans tend to want more then others. giving everyone equal possessions in everything is a bad idea, so there will always be people with more or less stuff
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13 Apr 2014 10:06 PM
"yes it did, but in my reversed scenario, logical thinking could of also did it.

What I am trying to say is both can be used for good, and both can be used for evil"
And what I am saying is that even in it, logic says he should of launched.
While emotion can lead to bad, what I really mean when I say feeling is empathy.

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13 Apr 2014 10:08 PM
> And what I am saying is that even in it, logic says he should of launched.
While emotion can lead to bad, what I really mean when I say feeling is empathy.


but my scenario was causing his hatred to want to launch and his logical thinking to stop his launch.
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13 Apr 2014 10:08 PM
"but my scenario was causing his hatred to want to launch and his logical thinking to stop his launch."
But what would be logical about not launching?

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SerbiaStronk is not online. SerbiaStronk
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13 Apr 2014 10:09 PM
> But what would be logical about not launching?


that putting humanity at stake isn't worth it for something as silly as hatred
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OTRainbowDash5000 is not online. OTRainbowDash5000
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13 Apr 2014 10:14 PM
"that putting humanity at stake isn't worth it for something as silly as hatred"
Which is an example of empathy, not logic.
You feel for humanity as a whole, not wanting to destroy it.

While it is so blatantly obvious as a human, its not exactly logical.
What his training says he should of done is launch.
Thats what a computer would do.
Thats what he logically should of done.

But his empathy, his humanity stopped him. A computer can not feel. A computer would not have hesitated.

As a whole, we are drifting closer and closer to non-feeling machines.
To computers.

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