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Re: Why communism doesn't work.

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Nitrocell is not online. Nitrocell
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10 Apr 2014 08:13 PM
Communism doesn't work because people think that they do not have to work because someone else will pick up their slack, and then those people think someone will pick up their slack, and eventually there is hardly no money, or any capital produced, which leads to bad machinery, and famine.

A prime example is China during the "Great Leap Forward" Instated while Mao Zedong was in power. One of the worst famines, including 20 million starved to death.
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Oh yes, before people state that China is communist, and that their economy is good, China's economy is a SOCIALIST MARKET, not command, only their government is communist, not their economy.

Their government oversees what the people do, and do not control it, unless it doesn't abide by one of their laws.

All other communist states have failed;
(A few examples)

Soviet Union, Failed because they were too poor.

North Korea, Poor, Famine

Vietnam, Poor, Famine

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Basketor is not online. Basketor
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10 Apr 2014 08:16 PM
Finally someone else who knows what they're talking about
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Crakkitty is not online. Crakkitty
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10 Apr 2014 08:17 PM
china's government isn't communistic at all.

china's government is a socialist republic. right now, they're ruled by the communist party under a single party system, but they dont have a communist government.
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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10 Apr 2014 08:19 PM
That's why slackers are removed from the society.

Look up eugenics.
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Squidicide is not online. Squidicide
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10 Apr 2014 08:20 PM
You don't know what you're talking about, and what you are describing is a Democracy (Democratic, of course) as people pay the government so that they can give money to the lazy and poor.

Look at Norway, a Socialist nation, with the best economy in the WORLD, and one of the happiest population.

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Crakkitty is not online. Crakkitty
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10 Apr 2014 08:22 PM
@travis

eugenics was a failed concept of the 20th century that was used to justify discrimination and promote social darwinistic principles
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10 Apr 2014 08:23 PM
oh god squidicide please get out
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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10 Apr 2014 08:23 PM
@Squid

Norway doesn't have the best economy, America does. And because our economy isn't so good, other countries aren't doing well either.
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Nitrocell is not online. Nitrocell
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10 Apr 2014 08:24 PM
China is lead by the Chinese Communist Party, and you may only elect leaders of the CCP so it's basically like, oh we have elections! Trade with us! we are fair! but only CCP members can run, keeping them in power.

And, since it is the Chinese *Communist* Party and they control the government, the government is communist.
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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10 Apr 2014 08:24 PM
@Crak

We could still use the concept of it by changing the culture.
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TheDeadspawn is not online. TheDeadspawn
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10 Apr 2014 08:24 PM
"Look at Norway, a Socialist nation, with the best economy in the WORLD, and one of the happiest population."

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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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10 Apr 2014 08:25 PM
@Nitro

The Chinese government needs to operate in a communist way in order to be Communism. Not just have a communist party control the government and call it communism.
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Crakkitty is not online. Crakkitty
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10 Apr 2014 08:26 PM
not really.

eugenics in a nutshell brings up the same argument against genetic splicing. by discouraging reproduction of people who have genetic defects, you're going against basic human ethics.

though i suppose you're right that it /can/ be done, but given how morally-driven our society is, it just wouldn't happen, especially in countries such as america.

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Nitrocell is not online. Nitrocell
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10 Apr 2014 08:28 PM
You don't know what you're talking about, and what you are describing is a Democracy (Democratic, of course) as people pay the government so that they can give money to the lazy and poor.

>You must be dumb, communist economies involve everyone's earnings being combined and divided equally.

Look at Norway, a Socialist nation, with the best economy in the WORLD, and one of the happiest population.

> Have you even checked the CIA world fact book? USA has the best economy. Norway is pretty far down.
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Nitrocell is not online. Nitrocell
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10 Apr 2014 08:32 PM
@Travis
It is still classified as communist and is taught in my history class as such, but if you want to be technical, you are correct.
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Crakkitty is not online. Crakkitty
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10 Apr 2014 08:33 PM
the communism defined in textbooks are usually the communism that's been derived from stalin's totalitarian russia, which wasn't the same communism as defined by karl marx.

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Nitrocell is not online. Nitrocell
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10 Apr 2014 08:37 PM
Ah.
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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10 Apr 2014 08:38 PM
Marx & Engels created true communism (well, they were one of the first to write about it and give it a name)

Lenin created his own communism concept in which you work more you get payed more. Though it involves totalitarianism.

Stalin & USSR, complete totalitarianism and you get what you get. You work hard, you get the same.
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TheDeadspawn is not online. TheDeadspawn
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10 Apr 2014 08:39 PM
And that ends this thread.

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Ovarix is not online. Ovarix
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10 Apr 2014 08:39 PM
CAPITALIST MARKET

NO SUCH THING AS A SOCIALIST MARKET

IDEA IS FREE TRADE IS STILL EXISTENT
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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10 Apr 2014 08:40 PM
I love when people actually use facts and history to debate things.
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Squidicide is not online. Squidicide
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10 Apr 2014 08:41 PM
America is actually in a rut.

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Nitrocell is not online. Nitrocell
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10 Apr 2014 08:43 PM
A socialist market does exist and applies the basics of a market economy with government overseement.
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Ovarix is not online. Ovarix
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10 Apr 2014 08:45 PM
@Nitro

Its a capitalist economy in china

Government doesn't really do much when it comes to overseeing

I mean they are literally the same thing.
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Nitrocell is not online. Nitrocell
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10 Apr 2014 08:45 PM
Every country is in a "rut".
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