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Re: 'Freedom is good it must be rationed'

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ghostleader13 is not online. ghostleader13
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05 Apr 2014 10:19 AM
I forgot who said it maybe Lenin or Stalin.
Now that I think of it, I should keep to Military things in the day of tomorrow.
I'm some weird mix of Fascism and Capitalism. Well at lest taxes would be low.

HEIL AMERIKA
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re567 is not online. re567
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05 Apr 2014 10:21 AM
Fascism is a fool's ideology.
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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05 Apr 2014 10:30 AM
>Fascism is a fool's ideology.

Funny, because this was said by Lenin, aka your hero.

From wikiquote:

"It is true that liberty is precious — so precious that it must be rationed.
As quoted in Soviet Communism : A New Civilization? (1936) by Sidney & Beatrice Webb"
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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05 Apr 2014 03:27 PM
bump
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SirAlexanderHope is not online. SirAlexanderHope
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05 Apr 2014 03:45 PM
how hypocritical, re. communism is hypocritical in every way, which demnts the human mind even more, if all you can do is make insults, you're going to have a bad time.

i agree with the quote, obviously. ive seen too many people abuse this precsious right and offends too many people, people should be disciplined.

you be off fascist -signed the fascist
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re567 is not online. re567
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05 Apr 2014 03:53 PM
I have to agree at some point.

I wish people realise what will the world be like without freedom.

Too many people abuse it. Such a shame...
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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05 Apr 2014 03:53 PM
>Too many people abuse it. Such a shame...

Can you clarify what these abuses are?
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SirAlexanderHope is not online. SirAlexanderHope
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05 Apr 2014 03:54 PM
mhm communist.

you be off fascist -signed the fascist
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re567 is not online. re567
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05 Apr 2014 03:54 PM
@Mid, just look at the music industry. And look everywhere else. Slowly, freedom is abused.
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SirAlexanderHope is not online. SirAlexanderHope
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05 Apr 2014 03:55 PM
@mid

yes i can. those islamist far right protests ''freedom go to hell' and other religions, and its bad to such an extent that im having a rant about it and im a muslim. there are also those nation socialist who try to convert every single freakin person and hate jews and becasue of reedom of speech we have things like the k/k/k.

you be off fascist -signed the fascist
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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05 Apr 2014 03:57 PM
>@Mid, just look at the music industry. And look everywhere else. Slowly, freedom is abused.

Are you to tell me that because Justin Bieber or whatever new pop star makes bad music, that it should be censored/banned? I have a solution for you; if you don't like certain types of music you don't need to listen to it. Nor do you need to prevent everyone else (because there are apparently those who like his music) from listening to it and enjoying it. You shouldn't force your morality on the rest of the population, yes?

>And look everywhere else. Slowly, freedom is abused.

That is so ridiculously vague. How am I supposed to respond to that? Give me examples.
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SirAlexanderHope is not online. SirAlexanderHope
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05 Apr 2014 03:58 PM
@mid

okay this will be hard to explain but imma siot back communist vs liberal hahah lol read my post nub.

you be off fascist -signed the fascist
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chtr0192 is not online. chtr0192
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05 Apr 2014 03:59 PM
Marxist parties promising true democracy always seem to end up in a totalitarian dictatorship.
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chtr0192 is not online. chtr0192
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05 Apr 2014 04:02 PM
In fact most governments eventually end up totalitarian. Some just take longer for others.
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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05 Apr 2014 04:03 PM
>okay this will be hard to explain but imma siot back communist vs liberal hahah lol read my post nub.

Are you implying I'm a liberal? If so, you're incorrect; I'm a libertarian.

>yes i can. those islamist far right protests ''freedom go to hell' and other religions, and its bad to such an extent that im having a rant about it and im a muslim. there are also those nation socialist who try to convert every single freakin person and hate jews and becasue of reedom of speech we have things like the k/k/k.

I'm going to propose a radical idea: freedom of speech should extend to those whose opinions we dislike. Now, it's important to make a distinction between violent and non-violent speech. Obviously violent speech (speech that promotes or advocates violence or crime) and libel should be restricted, but I think even the most libertarian defender of free speech would make exceptions for that.

> im having a rant about it and im a muslim

So because you're a Muslim, you should be able to restrict the freedom of speech and assembly for other Muslims?

> nation socialists and k/k/k

Again, this is tricky territory because they often advocate violence. Same with the Muslims. But as I said, we should tolerate (not accept, tolerate) radical opinions. It's not harming anyone else, and you don't have the right to not be offended.
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SirAlexanderHope is not online. SirAlexanderHope
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06 Apr 2014 03:32 AM
why cannot we simply make the right.

and mid that was an example, their are chrisitian extremists and buddhist and such and believe me nationalist socialists do harm and so do k/k/k. look, people feel that they can offend anyone, it isn't right, you learn it with your parents and once you are in nursery/kindergarten, it's because people are offended if you let your mouth open too wide.

also, so we have a right to offend people?

''When questioning the government, question their hypocrisy.''
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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06 Apr 2014 06:31 AM
>believe me nationalist socialists do harm and so do k/k/k. look, people feel that they can offend anyone,

If they actually do harm (murder, assault, robbery, etc) then they can be arrested and hopefully imprisoned. But the reason for their imprisonment wouldn't be "he was a national socialist" but rather "he killed an old lady."

>also, so we have a right to offend people?

It's part of the right to free speech. Imagine if anything - racist jokes, for example - which offended people was just banned. Imagine if advocating fascism was banned too. That would be violating your freedom of speech.
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SirAlexanderHope is not online. SirAlexanderHope
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06 Apr 2014 06:33 AM
no let me extend that ''he was a national socialist and spreaded severe hate''

''When questioning the government, question their hypocrisy.''
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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06 Apr 2014 06:36 AM
>no let me extend that ''he was a national socialist and spreaded severe hate''

As long as he isn't inciting violence, breaking property laws, or any other violations of the non aggression principle it's fine. If all he does is talk, let him.
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SirAlexanderHope is not online. SirAlexanderHope
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06 Apr 2014 06:41 AM
youve brought a good arguement like you did to me the first time i came here but i still think freedom of speech is abused and dislike it.

''When questioning the government, question their hypocrisy.''
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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06 Apr 2014 06:41 AM
okay then
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