Zipo99
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| 03 Apr 2014 10:16 PM |
Sadly--yet thankfully--your thread was deleted. I was going to throw in an awesome rebuttal, but it looks like here will have to do because it needs to be said.
Grey areas do not give you justification! It doesn't mean that what you are doing to Rileyy is at all right or just. Just because everyone else does it does not mean that either.
Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — "No, you move." --Captain America
You don't have any valid reason to hate on Rileyy, so don't. You may not like her, but that doesn't mean that all of you can just ostracize her and make fun of her. I'll say this again, hate speech is not the same as free speech.
You are not making her life any better. You are not giving advice on how she could improve, even if that is opinionated. No. Instead you just put her down. Stop.
Step outside, take a breath, and remind yourself of who you are and who you want to be. Who bloody cares if she is just a troll. That still doesn't justify your actions. What if she isn't a troll? What if you are wrong? Then look at your actions.
tl;dr--Be nice to others. Captain America would want it. |
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Zipo99
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| 03 Apr 2014 10:24 PM |
I'll go ahead and bump this for two fold reasons. 1) I want more people to see this. 2) I expect a reply. Either from icrazy or another member of the community this post is targeting. |
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Zipo99
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| 03 Apr 2014 10:25 PM |
| Oh, one more parameter: The replier has to have actually read the post. |
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Zipo99
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| 05 Apr 2014 12:11 AM |
| Thanks for reading! I thought this was just going to be another word wall I bothered to type up that no one was going to bother reading. I hate when that happens. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 12:14 AM |
| I 100% agree. infact i just got a warning for defending her. very upset about that... |
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| 05 Apr 2014 12:15 AM |
I'm not a pacifist. But I don't hate on Riley purely because 1) I have no clue who she is 2) I wouldn't even care if she is what people say. 3) Hating blinding is too low, even for me.
Thanks for posting this. Sadly I hear some mods disagree with anyone who tries to defend her, (even saw it today involving one of my threads-) anyways, what ever this is- hopefully it blows over soon.
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Riileeyyy
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icrazy789
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:13 PM |
I am going to destroy your argument in two steps: A)"the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences" B)"You don't have any valid reason to hate on Rileyy, so don't." Yeah we had issues going on outside the forum since forever I have been here. I have plenty of reasons.
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Zipo99
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:52 PM |
1) This entire ordeal seems like a huge bandwagon to me. If you can convince me that the way you feel is legitimate, with reasoning, logic, examples, I'll back off. I won't agree with you, and I'll keep defending Rileyy (because she is entitled to a defense), but I'll back off from calling you out.
2) As stated above, list some. No circular reasoning here. No ad hominem. Legitimate proof. I want concrete answers, or else my point stands: you have no good reason to hate on Rileyy.
Side note: Even if you did have a good reason, which I am not saying you do, that still does not give you justification for harassment. I'll say it again: Free speech is not hate speech. Grey areas don't bloody matter. |
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Zipo99
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:53 PM |
So, I posted this elsewhere, but I believe it also has a place here:
In a court of law even the worst criminal are assigned a defense (in America, where I am). What I'm trying to say is that everyone is entitled to someone standing in their defense. In this case I wholeheartedly believe that Rileyy has done nothing actually wrong. So, I am standing in her defense. I would do the same for you if you were in this position. I am not a white knight, and I am not a judge, jury, and executioner. What I am is a compassionate human being--although I believe everyone is innately compassionate and it is only nurture that takes it away.
There is this word, Sonder, defined by the dictionary of Obscure Sorrows as:
the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your own—populated with their own ambitions, friends, routines, worries and inherited craziness—an epic story that continues invisibly around you like an anthill sprawling deep underground, with elaborate passageways to thousands of other lives that you’ll never know existed, in which you might appear only once, as an extra sipping coffee in the background, as a blur of traffic passing on the highway, as a lighted window at dusk.
I think that a lot of you guys forget that Rileyy is a person--not a cardboard cut out. She has more depth to her than you could ever possibly imagine. You are not hurting a persona with your words, you are hurting a person. Don't be that negative force in people's lives, strive to be a positive one. Strive to make joyous ripples through their life. Don't tear them down. Do to others that which you would want done unto you. I live by the words of the Golden Rule. Why would you do something to someone else that you wouldn't want done to you?
So go the extra mile. Treat people with kindness and hospitality and understanding. Treat people as people. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:59 PM |
For once there were both sides to the fight
ˢᵒ ᵖˡᵉᵃˢᵉ ᵈᵒᶰ'ᵗ ˢᶜʳᵉᵃᵐ ʷʰᵉᶰ ʷᵉ ᵗᵃᵏᵉ ʸᵒᵘ; ᵗʰᵉ ʷᵒʳˡᵈ ᶤˢ ᵠᵘᶤᵉᵗ ʰᵉʳᵉˑ |
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icrazy789
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| 05 Apr 2014 04:46 PM |
@Zippo, early back when I first joined OT, I was friendly with Rileyyy. She never did anything to me and when she was attacked, I use to support her. And she would pm or party me to thank me. Then one day, with no provocation, she just snapped on. Posted some pretty nasty threads on me. Claimed I tried to OD'er, I bullied her, etc. At that point I only defended myself. It continued so I went on the offensive and there I stay so the tides of war do not turn against my favor again.
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Zipo99
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| 05 Apr 2014 05:06 PM |
For the sake of argument I'll take your word on that.
That being said, can't you see how this will be an endless cycle? She went on the offensive, therefor you went on the offensive. That will continue until one of you decide to put your pride aside and be the bigger man (or in Rileyy's case the bigger woman).
Rileyy has displayed reasoning not typical of the average person. That is the truth of the matter. Because of this her reasoning will obviously differ from yours. This "no provocation" could actually be something to you. People interpret things different ways, regardless of intent. It happens. This could have simply been started through a misunderstanding.
Regardless of that, you should forgive her, and she should forgive you. It has been said that the bitter neither forgive nor forget, that the naive forgets and forgives, yet the wise forgives yet does not forget. Clinging to the offensive, to past wrongs, won't help resolve this problem. It won't let you or Rileyy move on. So I ask you this:
Forgive one another. If not for me, for the your sake. You need to let this go.
Rileyy, I don't know what has happened in the past. I don't know what he has done, and I don't know what you have done. That doesn't matter. I know what is going on right now. This needs to stop. I understand that some people, regardless of what I say or what you say, will continue to bully you. That being said, however, retaliating with harsh words and accusations is no way to solve the problem. Be the bigger person. Let things go. Try to understand where they are coming from and forgive people for their wrong doings.
Get past it instead of getting even. Revenge and retaliation isn't winning.
"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." --Gandhi
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| 05 Apr 2014 05:08 PM |
"You don't have any valid reason to hate on Rileyy, so don't. You may not like her, but that doesn't mean that all of you can just ostracize her and make fun of her. I'll say this again, hate speech is not the same as free speech. "
This entire paragraph goes for just about every single person on this forum who has hatred for someone. |
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Zipo99
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| 05 Apr 2014 05:09 PM |
"Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply." --Stephen Covey
I hope that you will read my response with the intent to understand what I am trying to convey. |
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Wraze
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| 05 Apr 2014 05:10 PM |
| you're a great person, zipo. |
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Zipo99
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| 05 Apr 2014 05:17 PM |
I'm just a person, Wraze. I'm just one guy. There are definitely people who deserve the title of greatness more than I do.
Thank you for the thought, though. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 05:25 PM |
"definitely people who deserve the title of greatness more than I do"
There really aren't that many people who deserve to be reffered to as "great" more than you. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 05:27 PM |
1. I don't hate on her because everyone else does, it's because i truely hate her 2. I'm not american 3. I do have a reason, she flames me for no absolute reason and she posts her irl 24/7 4. We don't WANT to make it any better |
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Zipo99
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| 05 Apr 2014 06:01 PM |
@Supa, I don't want to be a great person. I don't want any attention. I just want to stand up for what I believe in.
@Kyle, 1) I've truly hated someone before. It tore me up. Vile thing, hatred is. The corruption spoils so many aspects of one's life. 2)The principle that everyone deserves a defense stands. Aside from that, I don't see how that relates. 3)I'd refer you to some of my above posts on forgiveness and humanity. 4)You may not want to. It should be solved, however.
@Emily, Why not? |
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Riileeyyy
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| 05 Apr 2014 08:38 PM |
| your very nice :) thank u but ur hard t understad |
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