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Re: [EL] Issues
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SAN701
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:17 PM |
Greetings, EL.
First off, I understand the HC Riven made a thread about the EL problems, but I think she hasn't included them all. I shall say this in my own words and shall strive to include everything in this forum post. Some of you might say that I copied HC Riven: No, I didn't. It was I and ForeverHadrian that told Riven about many problems in EL. I shall speak of many people in the thread, but note: I have no personal grudge against them. I'm just mentioning their qualities (be it good or bad) so we could approach the situation correctly.
[1] Community and Friendliness.
Firstly, I see a lack of respect, be it with HRs-LRs, or LRs-LRs. No wonder, if the HRs (some) themselves disrespect the LRs, other LRs will just disrespect their comrades. High Ranks have a tremendous influence on the Low Ranks - remember that the LRs look up to them and shall follow suit in everything they do. Let me say this: we are not a community anymore. We are just a collection of individuals that simply are under the same banner, but have absolutely no respect or friendliness towards each other.
Let me give an example of how some HRs disrespect LRs.
Yesterday, we were rallying at Zapire Point for a raid, when some LRs showed up and had no uniforms on. The High Rank began charring every single one with my character, without even asking my permission [Its my character, right? Its my right to say whether he can use it to char or not.] and I was talking to him like, maybe 7 times? "Sir, please, I don't like many people get charred like me, etc.." Imagine what he did? Ignored me completely, and what's more, he got my CF on his head. Look at the disrespect. I shall not mention his name, I don't want to make him a laughing stock, for I have feelings and manners.
[2] Training System and Promotions.
[A] I was one of the people supporting the Database (ZAP, in our case) Promotional system coming out. However, when it came out, I saw the numbers.. Fancy, 25 ZAP for a rank, when trainings are barely hosted (depending on the timezone), and you barely get ZAP? No, thank you sir. And what's more, you get a maximum of 3 ZAP ONLY to earn per event (Excluding raids, you can get up to 7 ZAP, but where you often do not get the amount you deserve, due to the HR not always being in the same area as you).
This is completely ridiculous. Be reasonable. Our previous system was ridiculous also.
Old System: Do nothing and get a promotion. New System: Be on 24/7 or wait 2 months to proceed to the next rank.
[B] EL is my family, and always shall be. But, I am not very skilled nowadays, although I'm practicing and training myself with help of friends, and why?
I'll tell you why.
Let me describe the typical procedure of a training. - HR: Boys, you have 3 minutes to do the obby, do it! [No tips, no "Go sideways", no "Use/don't use mouselock"]
- HR: San VS Guest! Go! *clash clash* San wins, Guest loses. Both go to their respective green/red lines. [No tips.]
- TDM! GO GO GO *boom boom* Red Team wins! Good game. [No tips.]
- Rally: You get a promotion, you don't, you do, etc..
Let me now tell you the definition of a training.
Training is the acquisition of knowledge, skills, and competencies as a result of the TEACHING of vocational or practical skills and knowledge that relate to specific useful competencies. Training has specific goals of IMPROVING one's capability, capacity, productivity and performance.
Now answer my question: Did I learn anything? No.
Even teamwork activities don't exist now.
Back then, I remember, when I joined EL (5,500 members) High Ranks DID teach you.
I advise High Ranks to teach Low Ranks in their trainings - do not be unfair to the new generation that is trying to learn. Trainings are the core of a clan (in most cases), and if we enter a war suddenly, we will be sitting ducks, with no teaching in SFT/GFT, and no disciplinary/teamwork drills.
[3] Discipline.
Strictness in trainings/events.. God, tell me honestly. When you stand still like a statue, afraid to BREATH, afraid to do anything, do you seriously have fun (which is the point of clans and ROBLOX!), or learn anything? Discipline? Can't a High Rank be both kind and strict? Can't you balance those two things?
Or, you'll have no discipline at all.. The High Rank just stands there (won't mention names), doing nothing, watching immaturity and does nothing but "LINE UP". Just repeats that senetnce. I even had to tell him to discipline them. And how did he? By lasering and yelling.
Can't a High Rank speak kindly to the Low Rank, tell them what they're doing is wrong, and it would not benefit us at all? No. The only language they know is violence.
Its either you shall be VERY strict, admin abuse, or VERY soft. Can't you be both? That's what's called leadership.
[4] Leadership.
OiTs go through an easy academy. Does it really make them leaders or show their loyalty? No.
Level 4 - Leadership: All you need to do is host a training (Nah, not really a training, run obbies and make tourneys, and yay, you're done!) Next, host a PRACTICE raid, go capture the term alone, scream barbarically for help, they come, and yay, you're done.
Many of our High Ranks have no leadership.
Let me give you an example.
We where once rallying for a raid, and we went and raided JC. At Fang, no order at all.. People were Empty Server Raiding, the HR didn't even tell them to line up once we reach there, and of course, chaos reigned. The HR helplessly wondered around, and did nothing. Until 4 JC came (he didn't PM JC HRs!), then the raid started.
We were losing at first, Losing to whom..? TO JC!! Imagine my frustration. There was no order, no communication, no nothing. Until EL's 1st member and ex-SG came, we were losing. Luckily, Shocked12 saved the situation and led us to victory. I was watching the whole situation, and that HR did nothing but, "OPEN THE GATES QUICKLY, THEY'RE SHOOTING AT ME111" I was ashamed, for RSF was also there, and while RSF stayed professionally quiet and did their best to win the raid, all I heard from EL members was chaos and screams. I have witnesses on this event. Another time, we lost a raid on TD. Wow, TD and JC, one of the easiest clans to raid.
And you call this "Level 4 - Leadership" a lesson in leadership?!
If we cannot even win a raid on JC, one of the easiest forts to win at, how can we face wars?
We are losing every single war we are facing now, and it hurts me. I see my home crumbling - what can I do? I just had to hold my pen and write this down to you, Zapirians. We are caught unprepared, undisciplined. And that's how our enemies prevail on us.
[5] Favoritism.
I see favoritism and free promotions lurking in the air. When an ex-HR insults our Generals and leaves, he immediately gets Officer Trainee (yay for free promotions) once he rejoins.
People now skip ranks. These words, nor a million words, shall describe my anger towards this. Skipping ranks what for? And those people who stay loyal to the Legion and Zapiria, offering all their hardwork and sweat just for us to prosper, thrown in the trash? Oh ho, no. I see those people that gets favorited and do nothing, skipping ranks until they reach LTG and GN, where the people who work very hard for their ranks are ignored.
Let me repeat this. People who stay loyal to Zapiria are ignored. People who directed all their efforts, hard work and sweat just for the Legion to prosper, are thrown in the trash. People who wish for us the best are being looked down at.
What do they get in return? Are they rewarded? No.
Many of our Loyal, old High Ranks have an urge of leaving. Why? They see people who skipped ranks, got free promotions and were favorited being regarded higher than them, them whose loyalty is unbreakable, them who worked day and night for the Legion.
What is this injustice?
Corruptness has spread, like a fire. And when a fire is ignited and left for sometime, its hard to quieten it down.
You want HRs? There are many ex-HRs who were demoted in "reforms", but their demotion did not hinder them from staying loyal and doing their duty. Do not let people skip ranks or get free promotions.
[6] Inactivity.
Glorious days of the past, where seldom passes an hour but I see an event, or some talk on the wall. Nowadays, we don't have many events.. 1 - 3 per day? Where once it had been up to 18 per day..
[7] External Affairs Department.
Monsieur ForeverAlec, is working VERY hard to maintain good alliances, and we can see this on our allies list, where my heart pains me every time I see it.
RSF: The only ally offering us help, they are like brothers to us.
RF: Ah, RF. Very old allies. Though there is a lack of joint-events, I still regard RF with respect. I suggest that the EL Ambassador in RF (I doubt there's one) hosts more joint-trainings, to improve the brotherhood between the two clans.
EL Divisions: Bad allies, they never help us :^(
UAR: A small clan, nice activity and administration. I am a Corporal in UAR, though UAR offers us help (which we are very grateful towards) but EL is a superclan, and in wars, UAR will not be a very great help.
FWC: No real connection between EL and FWC. And the rare joint-trainings that are held are chaotic with immaturity.
BB: MY clan is more active than BB.
I suggest, my dear Monsieur Alec, that you get to work AT ONCE. Lazing around will get you nowhere.
[8] Divisions.
Now now, the amount of useless divisions we have is insane.
- EL Aerial Squadron: I understand that we shall have helicopters in Lithium, and *some* other forts have aircrafts. Seriously, do you need a whole division just for helicopters? "We want them to learn how to ride aircrafts". Riding aircrafts is not very hard, and you don't a whole division to teach them how to ride aircrafts. You can simply:
[TRAIN] At Lithium, we'll be training on helicopters. ~HR
That's it, so simple. And it isn't as if ELAS is active. It has 0 people now.
- EL External Affairs: Wow, you need a division to research allies? And researching with a group of people shall get us anywhere? No. Then, what is the job of the Head of External Affairs? Sit down on a golden throne?
- EL Generals: Not all Generals are in this division, and we don't need such a division. One HR division is enough.
- EL Medics: I want to really understand what is the purpose of this division. Throw medpacks? I guess we all know how to throw medpacks, and not all, actually very few, forts have medpacks.
- EL Shock Squad: A division to protect the Commander? It shall only make jealousy and weaken our unity. Yes, we role-play, but I think this is going too far. Remember that this is ROBLOX.
- ELE&ELV: THIS is going too far. Two Elite divisions? wow. much divisions. such waste.
"No, ELV is for RCL and ELE is for Guns and Swords".
What is the use of Elites if they can't RCL? RCL is the standard gunfighting of the clan world, and if they don't know how to RCL but know how to use EL guns, what is the use of them being elites? Simple reminder: Other clans don't use EL guns, k.
An Elite is a person who have shown considerable skill in Swordfighting and gunfighting of ALL types, not just EL types. Merge those two divisions together.
Simple note: Some may argue that ELNT is useless. No, its not. ELNT is currently undergoing reforms, please respect this. I'm having a tremendous plan, and soon videos, interviews, etc. shall be soon seen on our YT channel. ELNT helpes the community improve.
Having such an amount of useless divisions is a waste of time, resources and shall further weaken the unity of the Legion. Be practical, we are not in need of the divisions mentioned above.
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Finally, the purpose of my writing this thread is that I want the High Ranks see the problems in the Legion, that are slowly developing into cancer that is making our infrastructure crumbling. EL is my family and home, and I wish the best for it.
- Claudius Glorian Aurelius 2012 Veteran Captain of the Legion Producer of the EL News Team Crown Prince of Zarixia
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:17 PM |
Support.
-ForeverHadrian (AlNuaimi50) 2012 Veteran ex-Colonel of the Legion.
- i slapped da cow den run away |
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Zyhra
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:20 PM |
Support.
~Zyhra (Was SendTrade for few months) 2012 Veteran and current Lieutenant General |
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SAN701
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xChromed
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:28 PM |
this poem made my day
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:29 PM |
| Oh buy thanks for all the complains we've heard 100 times already! |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:30 PM |
| boy* complaints* (Keyboard is messy sorry) |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:30 PM |
out with zappy in with a new, better HC member |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:32 PM |
| Doubt anyone is more loyal in EL as me. *two year party yeah!1!* |
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SAN701
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:32 PM |
The complaints that you don't bother to solve.
Hiding the truth will only make matters worse. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:34 PM |
| ele is bad, they cant join elv |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:36 PM |
"Yesterday, we were rallying at Zapire Point for a raid, when some LRs showed up and had no uniforms on. The High Rank began charring every single one with my character, without even asking my permission [Its my character, right? Its my right to say whether he can use it to char or not.] and I was talking to him like, maybe 7 times? "Sir, please, I don't like many people get charred like me, etc.." Imagine what he did? Ignored me completely, and what's more, he got my CF on his head. Look at the disrespect. I shall not mention his name, I don't want to make him a laughing stock, for I have feelings and manners." Oh how sad someone has the same char as you such a big deal. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:36 PM |
- EL Shock Squad: A division to protect the Commander? It shall only make jealousy and weaken our unity. Yes, we role-play, but I think this is going too far. Remember that this is ROBLOX." Not all for that but it's not even done yet still underdevelopment. |
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azang7
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:37 PM |
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NO offence San, but I just realized you criticize the divisions you aren't/failed to get in, but complement the ones you are in. e.e |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:38 PM |
| lmao, elnt is shet, waht the point? telling news in the clan to other people on c7g. k kid go home |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:38 PM |
- ELE&ELV: THIS is going too far. Two Elite divisions? wow. much divisions. such waste." ELV is hardly close to ELE. ELV is basically dead and we'll be seeing on what to do with that and it'll be different. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:39 PM |
"- EL Medics: I want to really understand what is the purpose of this division. Throw medpacks? I guess we all know how to throw medpacks, and not all, actually very few, forts have medpacks." Why do you want us all to have mdic packs freely and give an unfair advantage to EL? |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:40 PM |
"- EL Aerial Squadron: I understand that we shall have helicopters in Lithium, and *some* other forts have aircrafts. Seriously, do you need a whole division just for helicopters? "We want them to learn how to ride aircrafts". Riding aircrafts is not very hard, and you don't a whole division to teach them how to ride aircrafts." Not even up yet how can you criticize it? |
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SAN701
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:41 PM |
Azang, I do not care much about divisions. I don't know how you apprehended from yourself that "I failed to get in them".
No, I did not.
Think by logic.
What is the use ELAS? What is the use of ELSS? What is the use of ELM? What is the use of ELG? What is the use of two elite divisions?
Fly an aircraft? Have a training at Lithium. Protect the Commander? This is ROBLOX. Throw medpacks? We all know that. Generals? Not all could get in there. Two Elite divisions? Weaken unity and have no purpose if ELE can't RCL.
ELNT at least makes promotional videos for EL that helps recruiting, and improves the community.
If you have any doubt come to me and we'll talk. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:41 PM |
"I see favoritism and free promotions lurking in the air. When an ex-HR insults our Generals and leaves, he immediately gets Officer Trainee (yay for free promotions) once he rejoins.
People now skip ranks. These words, nor a million words, shall describe my anger towards this. Skipping ranks what for? And those people who stay loyal to the Legion and Zapiria, offering all their hardwork and sweat just for us to prosper, thrown in the trash? Oh ho, no. I see those people that gets favorited and do nothing, skipping ranks until they reach LTG and GN, where the people who work very hard for their ranks are ignored." Give me some recent examples. |
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SAN701
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:42 PM |
| Jackson, I can't really understand your comments. |
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| 05 Apr 2014 03:42 PM |
"Glorious days of the past, where seldom passes an hour but I see an event, or some talk on the wall. Nowadays, we don't have many events.. 1 - 3 per day? Where once it had been up to 18 per day.." You must be talking about in the summer. Right now many people have school and tests and can't get on. Even for today we've had a lot of events. |
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