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Re: Thumbs Down should require Explanation

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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 08:51 AM
THE PROBLEM
Developers feel they made a legitimate good game have no idea why their game is being thumbs'd down! Their game is left practically bullied with thumbs downs, as they do not know what exactly they must do to improve their game.

HOW TO FIX
Sure, you could ask in the comments or on a forum asking "so what's wrong with my game guys what did I do wrong I'm pretty sure I made an amazing game" but NO feedback will EVER be as accurate as a thumbs down with an explanation-of-thumbs-down attached to it. There would be a minimum and max character limit, the limits should arranged so that there is legitimate feedback, minimum 60 characters and 300 maximum.

"just leave your feedback on the comments" No! Explanation required on thumbs down would be much more effective feedback-wise than a comment. There should be prompt text: "Why do you dislike this game?"

This game lags a lot. Mostly when there are around 8 players in the server.

That's 75 characters, and very helpful. If you leave an explanation fitting the character limit, you successfully thumbs down, if you don't, you don't successfully thumbs down.

WHY NOT EXPLANATION FOR THUMBS UP?
Following the logic stated in this thread, it would only make sense, kind of, but I'm NOT for doing that since the problem mostly lies within thumbs downs, not thumbs ups. And the goal is to find what the negative feedback is, not what the positive is, requiring an explanation for thumbs up wouldn't be doing anything towards that goal.

WHAT IF SOMEONE PUTS A DUMB EXPLANATION?
If ROBLOX is truly taking a step towards heavily valuing game developing, then game ratings should be taken seriously. If some puts like "sdacfrefesfsdfdszfesae SUCKS" for their explanation, every explanation should be report-able, an explanation like that should be treated like any other offense on ROBLOX and penalize your account, and remove their thumbs down.

WHERE WOULD THE THUMBS DOWN EXPLANATIONS APPEAR?
There would be a button next to the thumbs down symbol, "Thumbs Down Explanations", no anonymity, list usernames next to thumbs down. People tend to be more "brave" and make dumb, time wasting choices when they have anonymity.

DID YOU LIKE THIS SUGGESTION?
I like it a lot, and I feel would help both the community and developer community. If you like this suggestion, make it popular, post support!

Please consider this, ROBLOX.
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PlayfulDog is not online. PlayfulDog
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26 Mar 2014 08:56 AM
#YoungJaredValdez
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ManLykeDwaine is not online. ManLykeDwaine
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26 Mar 2014 09:00 AM
I definitely Support this. Most people will use thumbs down to bully someone eg. They don't like the owner so they thumbs down their games and sometimes people even get on other accounts/make more accounts just to thumbs down the game so people won't play. That is bullying and this is a brilliant way to stop it.
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SplendidDexter is not online. SplendidDexter
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26 Mar 2014 09:03 AM
Definitely supporting this, would help alot!
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 10:20 AM
Was I seriously just called jared valdez
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lagio4 is not online. lagio4
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26 Mar 2014 10:25 AM
ey u made that bloxcon game


support

oh and there should be ip checks for likes and dislikes

if 2 people have the same ip because they're being controlled by 1 person then the likes/dislikes will not register and they WILL be terminated.
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5upersonic1234 is not online. 5upersonic1234
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26 Mar 2014 10:38 AM
"...and they WILL be terminated."
That's a bit extreme, mate.

Though I mostly support this.
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Gamelon is not online. Gamelon
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26 Mar 2014 10:43 AM
Most people dislike a game because they didn't get what they want.
Like, I say I cannot give admin away
"omg i dislike"
It's a nice update, but it can easily be exploited.
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NovusTheory is not online. NovusTheory
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26 Mar 2014 10:44 AM
Abusable
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nathan15051 is not online. nathan15051
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26 Mar 2014 11:07 AM
10/10 I got thumb-down bombarded when i advertised my classic deathmatch because I used a starter terrain map, but I edited it! (not legitimate thumb down)
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Voidition is not online. Voidition
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26 Mar 2014 11:18 AM
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 11:20 AM
I didn't say they WILL be terminated, I said their account should take offense as how any other rule break would offend their account.

And how is this abusable? You literally only wrote "Abusable", that's 0% helpful.

"It's a nice update, but it can easily be exploited."

Same thing, explain how it's abusable/exploited. I don't see how.
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 11:23 AM
Oh sorry Supersonic, I thought you were talking to me.
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longkill is not online. longkill
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26 Mar 2014 07:21 PM
Support
~Cause I Can~
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SupahBoshi64 is not online. SupahBoshi64
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26 Mar 2014 07:24 PM
And you think every explanation would be a real one?
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BloodSacrifice is not online. BloodSacrifice
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26 Mar 2014 07:29 PM
Let me lay a few things down that is clearly not being thought of here by anyone:

YES THIS IS EXPLOITABLE/ABUSABLE
HOW OBVIOUS

But you know what else is even more abusable? The thumbs down button the way it is RIGHT NOW. Just because it's still an abusable option doesn't mean we should immediately throw it out the window, let's use our brains here.

How is it abusable? One could easily criticize very stupid parts of the game. "I dislike the CFrame" "I dislike the textures" Etc. Those are all legitimate complaints, so someone wouldn't be reported for it but at the same time it's really stupid to complain about.

REGARDLESS, the idea is genuinely good and should DEFINATELY be implemented.

Yes, I am extremely hostile in this post because nothing upsets me more than people purposely choosing to sink other people's idea's just because they notice one flaw in it. Stop being so blind, realize that nothing's perfect.
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 07:31 PM
Any "non-real" explanation would be like the one I described as "dumb explanation", and be reported. As for the "non-real" explanation that appears to be real but a blatant lie, well first I think they have other problems to worry about than being able to conjure up good negative-feedback, and if the creator of the place feels they are just blatant lies but appear real then they should report it as well.
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SupahBoshi64 is not online. SupahBoshi64
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26 Mar 2014 07:33 PM
You are also forgetting that the thumbs up portion of this feature can be abused as well just to make the game seem a whole lot better than it already is.
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da1andonlyrealsonic is not online. da1andonlyrealsonic
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26 Mar 2014 07:34 PM
I think that thumbs up/down should just have a limited amount (namely 1) per IP
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 07:39 PM
The button is definitely more abuse-able how it is right now.

There have been a LOT of people that only thumbs down a game in order to get back at the creator of the place, WHICH IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE THUMBS DOWNS AT ALL, the assumed purpose I believe.

I think the purpose of the whole thumbs down/up system is to give those who view the rating a good idea of what the game is like, my idea would be further achieving that purpose. I mean if you're not pursuing your purpose, honestly, why is it in place?

And how I've formulated this suggestion I believe is simple, this could be more complex.
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SupahBoshi64 is not online. SupahBoshi64
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26 Mar 2014 07:41 PM
Making an explanation required on why you gave it a southerner's thumb won't change the real purpose people will use the system for.
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 07:46 PM
ROBLOX has another big flaw, you can use the same email to verify an account, making it able to rate games. Combined, if you couldn't use the same email to verify an account and make it so you have 1 game rating per game per IP address, then the abuse of thumbs down and thumbs up would be LOWERED. Remember we can't be perfect because people just can't control themselves when it comes to not being able to follow a rule, we have to get try get as close to perfect as possible, which this suggestion I believe does. The reason why you shouldn't explain yourself for a thumbs up is in the first post of this thread.
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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26 Mar 2014 07:47 PM
"Making an explanation required on why you gave it a southerner's thumb won't change the real purpose people will use the system for."

What's the real purpose?
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Jman88s is not online. Jman88s
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26 Mar 2014 07:49 PM
Support, but needs to be required for both liking a game and disliking a game.
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BloodSacrifice is not online. BloodSacrifice
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26 Mar 2014 07:50 PM
Supah, I disagree with you. On everything you've said, with good reason.

If people are required to put in a good, reasonable explanation they either will, or they will decided not to give it a rating at all. And if they give it no rating, then there's really no issue in the first place.

As for the Northerner's thumbs up, you don't need an explanation. What would you say? "I like the the game because it's fun?" No. If people like the game, they like the game. The reason why there's more importance and spotlight on the downwards thumb is due to the fact that we need coordination from the players to help us understand what needs to be done to improve the game.

I'm not saying giving input on the thumbs up is a bad idea, rather it can be useful. "I like the new update, it's made the game very enjoyable please don't ever get rid of this update." But what I am trying to make clear to you is that sinking Dinizterz idea JUST because of the imbalance in ratings is really not a very good rebuttal.

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