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RivenStorm is not online. RivenStorm
Joined: 07 Nov 2012
Total Posts: 253
30 Mar 2014 02:54 PM
I know I am going to get yelled at for this... But oh well.

Even as High Command in EL I still feel like I don't get listened to. These days people make it seem like you have to make yourself "scary" to get people to listen to you. If you don't seem scary them then they probably won't listen. Anyway... I'm kind of tired that I am HC and no one cares about my ideas an opinions.
Recently I have listened to people's problems with EL. Let me list them off and I will give my opinion on them.

Not enough raids:
We don't raid because we usually lose. EL never makes plans before going into a war/raid. They just...yolo it. Even if we had a plan before we went into a fight we might still lose. Why? Because HRs can't seem to properly teach. There are HRs who don't even want to teach so they host tournaments all the time. There are other HRs who have the skill and knowledge to teach but refuse to do anything except be inactive or patrol/defend the fort. I personally am getting tired with the lack of teaching going on. Just giving tips in trainings isn't going to help someone beat an enemy. You have to legitly teach them how to fight. Even showing them how to fight is good. And if a HR's skill isn't that good they should go get more training themselves.


Thinking of leaving?:
I know quite a few HRs are thinking of leaving. Why? Because of how EL is... Well, let's see... the people I hear about wanting to leave... DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Some of those wanting to leave are not even that active (not saying names). If you don't like EL how it is HRs then why don't you get active and do something instead of thinking about leaving which is obviously doing nothing.

Reform:
"Reforms won't help." Says 2-3 of the HC. Because motivating HRs will totally help get people active? No. Go ahead. Try it. Tell me the outcome. Not many HRs even care anymore. Not to mention they have school. My opinion on that? If you are too busy with school ask to step the freak down. Because you obviously can't handle the HR duties. "But it is only a game." Yes.. a game is something you play in your spare time. If you don't have a lot of spare time then don't bother aiming for HR in a clan. Because you are obviously inactive anyway. Honestly, I think if a reform were to happen we'd be able to shake off the inactive HRs and get new, better, and more active HRs (this would probably be the only time free promotions happen so we could get new HRs).

HR influence:
HRs might not realize this but they influence LRs greatly. LRs do whatever the HRs do because they think that is the right thing to do. Not everything HRs do is right. If a HR argues with someone or complains, should you do the same? No. If a HR starts acting like a immature brat should you do the same? Obviously not. HRs need to teach LRs to be better people and that they shouldn't be influenced by HRs if a HR does the wrong thing.

EL community:
This consists of favoritism, disrespect, lack of discipline, and lack of listening.

Favoritism:
Free promotions... Seriously? Even I am getting sick of that. EL shouldn't be that desperate as to give ex HRs free promotions or current HRs free promotions. If you wanna have someone promoted, fine. But they should NEVER EVER skip ranks. I don't care if you think they would be the best HR or a really amazing Lt. Gen+ one day but it shows favoritism. If I left EL and rejoined I wouldn't expect a free rank. If I was still below Lt. Gen I wouldn't expect a free promotion up to Lt. Gen unless I was the rank right below it. Because I don't expect favoritism unlike others. I did get my rank before a lot of EL veterans but did I want it? Never said I did want it. Because, again, I really didn't like being favored nor did I want to be favored. I hadn't asked for it. But it is funny how other people do expect to be favored just so they can get a free rank. All because they think they deserve it when they don't. If you can't work your way up fairly like everyone else then you do not deserve the rank.

Lack of listening:
The reason why there is so many complaints and lack of discipline is because of lack of listening. LRs obviously don't know how to be silent and listen to their HRs. HRs shouldn't have to tell you to be silent. They say it so many times you should already get it through your thick skull. And for the HC... They rarely ever listen to what other HRs or LRs in EL have to say. They'd rather sit there and do nothing or do their own thing that no one (or very few people) actually want. Same with Elect. He only listens to his HC. He doesn't bother listening to anyone else (no offence Elect. Sorry. ._.)

Disrespect/Lack of discipline:
I've been hearing how so many LRs are being rude to the HRs. Same the other way. When LRs disrespect HRs it makes their EL lives harder. There are actually HRs who are trying to be the best they can be but LRs just have to come in and be rude/disrespectful to make it harder. If you wanna be rude, fine. Keep the comments to yourself though. Sadly though, one reason (maybe not the main reason) LRs do this is because HRs obviously don't know how to host good strict discipline trainings. Each time I compare my discipline trainings to someone else's strict/discipline training it kind of makes me want to cry. Usually HRs don't even enforce their no talking rule during that type of training. A lot of trainings get chaotic due to this. If HRs can't teach respect by being nice and respectful themselves then of course you are going to have LRs hating.


I don't really care if I get yelled at for this. I have a point and that is that. I am through with being ignored. I am through with having the HC just not care. I am through with a lot of things... I could just leave EL. But will I? Nah. Leaving EL is even more dramatic than making a forum about it to get myself (and others) heard.

If you have more to add on to this please feel free as long as it is a support. If you want to deny it, fine. Obviously you want EL to die and you like EL going down the drain.

Sign your name in a comment if you support this. (Example: -Name here [EL Rank])

~RivenStorm [High Command]
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entrant is not online. entrant
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30 Mar 2014 02:55 PM
All I have to say is, what goes around comes around.
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Theorizing is not online. Theorizing
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30 Mar 2014 02:55 PM
Way to step up to the plate, Riven. Keep it up.
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ImmortalVextrus is not online. ImmortalVextrus
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30 Mar 2014 02:57 PM
Agreed Riri.
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m1a1ambramstank is not online. m1a1ambramstank
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30 Mar 2014 02:57 PM
Discipline discipline!
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Insersion is not online. Insersion
Joined: 15 Apr 2013
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30 Mar 2014 02:58 PM
Support, agree 100%.

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EndangeredXtreme238 is not online. EndangeredXtreme238
Joined: 16 Mar 2011
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30 Mar 2014 03:00 PM
-EndangeredXtreme238 EL Rank-Specialist
I couldn't agree more.
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DrDrIceRay is not online. DrDrIceRay
Joined: 27 Nov 2013
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30 Mar 2014 03:01 PM
I agree with this 100%. DrDrIceRay Chief Colonel.
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iCellularPhone is not online. iCellularPhone
Joined: 24 Nov 2011
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30 Mar 2014 03:01 PM
I think elect isn't really there for EL as much as he should be.
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BOZZSYLUX is not online. BOZZSYLUX
Joined: 05 Sep 2009
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30 Mar 2014 03:03 PM
I think you guys in EL (HR's) need to start putting active HR's more on top and deal with inactive ones swiftly.
There is no point to hold a HR position for someone when they are inactive for a month or longer.
With inactive I mean not showing any signs of activity or even bothering to come online and tell the others about it.
There are plenty of other people who want to help out EL but don't get their voice heard like you just mentioned your post.
EL needs good structure and solid rules and agreements on being a HR.

Despite that, I do not really know if you should have brought this on the forums though but I get your meaning why.
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minicheese88 is not online. minicheese88
Joined: 01 Oct 2013
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30 Mar 2014 03:04 PM
As I was one of the few people that skipped ranks, I kind of want to redo my Levels 5-7. You have my support Riven.
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xLogical is not online. xLogical
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30 Mar 2014 03:05 PM
Agreed
- xLogical (Trooper)

(Add your name to agree better way then just saying agreed.)
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Alyub is not online. Alyub
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30 Mar 2014 03:06 PM
Alyub support, Officer_In_Training 100%!
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azang7 is not online. azang7
Joined: 22 Jul 2011
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30 Mar 2014 03:12 PM
I agreed 110%. This is worth being yelled at. But;

I really think HR's are just slacking off. During events, I see HR's get carried away with talking to other HR's, or if they didn't get the partner they want. It seems like almost EVERY SINGLE HR is power hunger. Like, out of control, "I want to rule EL" kind of HRs. Elect and Generals+ have done a horrible job leading, it seems like DrDr, Mini and ForeverAlec are hosting. They also let the GOOD HRs go. The HR's that taught, disciplined the trainees, are gone.

-[SPEC] azang7
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Extoliate is not online. Extoliate
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30 Mar 2014 03:13 PM
Support.
-Extoliate [EL Operative]
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RivenStorm is not online. RivenStorm
Joined: 07 Nov 2012
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30 Mar 2014 03:14 PM
Half of the people agreeing are wondering why I posted it on C&G. Well, one I am not gonna make a site just for this. Two, I am not gonna type this on the EL wall where is will be considered spam. Three, since when does C&G see someone General+ in EL actually? Not much. Not at all really. >_> Four, where else could I post this?
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DrDrIceRay is not online. DrDrIceRay
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30 Mar 2014 03:16 PM
Keep it going riven don't stop fighting!!
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GodlyXFlames is not online. GodlyXFlames
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30 Mar 2014 03:17 PM
GodlyXFlames supported.
Grand Captain.
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azang7 is not online. azang7
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30 Mar 2014 03:18 PM
This-Has-got-to-change
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DotakiasALT is online. DotakiasALT
Joined: 17 Apr 2012
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30 Mar 2014 03:19 PM
You should already know that you had my support from the begining riven.
~Chief officer Dot~
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minicheese88 is not online. minicheese88
Joined: 01 Oct 2013
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30 Mar 2014 03:19 PM
Keep fighting for it Riven you have all of our supports.
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Verticus9 is not online. Verticus9
Joined: 14 Oct 2013
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30 Mar 2014 03:20 PM
Support. Recruit
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DeathOfTheSaint is not online. DeathOfTheSaint
Joined: 25 Jun 2013
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30 Mar 2014 03:20 PM
I agree, I am [LR I Recruit]
Yes, I am a recruit, but that doesn't mean I don't know anything. It has happened in the past as well and frankly, If Riven gets punished for this, EL don't know the difference between trying to help and hating >_> Signed: DeathOfTheSaint.
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CrushedInsanity is not online. CrushedInsanity
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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30 Mar 2014 03:22 PM
Support [EX-EL Diplomat]
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minicheese88 is not online. minicheese88
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30 Mar 2014 03:22 PM
Riven won't get punished. Just keep fighting for it.
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