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Re: [TGI] outlook on state of imperium

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HopeOfRome is not online. HopeOfRome
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24 Mar 2014 02:06 PM
ok so basically im going to try to be -sérieux- here, so u guys (no girls on the internet) can understand why im using english grammer and stuff

i will not debate on my own opinion, im just letting other people know what i feel about tgi
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I'm not a veteran to Arcadia, no where close to being one. I joined in a simpler time when we had just gotten done with the war with X101, when everyone was happy, and satisfied with the group. Everything was great, though we as always still had conflict with Vaktovia from time to time on forums, nothing was really pronounced in a way that would be too insulting like today's standards.

Now is a different time. Half of the people of Arcadia are not fond of the state of the group, and have resignation on their minds. Obviously, I was one of those people and have taken that action. The whole group is basically split on two different ends, but not like before, being the two sides of veterans & officers against the other population. Now Arcadia is split by things like ideas, opinions and "social circles."

Of course there were these problems before, but now more then ever. "A house divided against itself cannot stand" is a great quote to use here, because it showcases the problem. People being split on so many different things at once leads to fights within the troops, which makes it so our primary focus isn't what is ahead, it makes our focus what is now.

I'm not going to point fingers at what started all of this, since I honestly don't have an exact answer (somewhere between ownership conversion, second ownership conversion, vaktovian war, etc.) It doesn't matter where the problem comes from either, because even if that problem is fixed, there is no amount of reforms or laws or revamps that can save the group.

Ever since the Vaktovian war started, we've lost and gained members. We could claim the ones lost were not "loyal" to the Imperium. This thought is what is implied by most Arcadians that had not taken into consideration that: Yes, they were loyal. Loyal to the old Arcadia. If a friend changes mentally but not physically, they'll still look the same, but are they really still the friend you originally had a relationship with?

As stated earlier, reforms or laws will not help any more. Reforms are just a short "fix" to make people thing that things might be getting better. A month or so ago, a set of reforms were released with the codex/laws being reformed, and the officer core would have to be strict and enforce said laws. This went on for maybe a week. A couple weeks later, another "reform" was made that basically stated the same thing, but acted as if the other set didn't even exist.

Going against what I said, yes, reforms can PROLONG the group's lifespan, but the reforms have to actually be upheld unless they are removed. People cannot just go back to the normalcy that it had been before. When something is going to be made, either commit or don't make it. If you just stop, then what was even the point of the reform in the first place? You might as well just make a law that says "Every other 2 weeks, this law is in place."

The officers aren't making this any easier too. Most of the officer core is a bunch of people who don't do anything but "attend" events. That's what we call a soldier. Officers need to actually DO something other then "patrol" (that should be REQUIRED and not considered an EVENT [especially calling off the patrol after 30 minutes,]) or hosting a "spar" (sit there, don't even look at roblox and get credit for doing something,) or, the best one, doing "things." By things I mean literally nothing to contribute other then the one weekly event they go to, leave after 5 minutes and not hosting anything themselves.

The HICOM aren't any better than the officers. The way I see it, and this is my own opinion, this is the configuration: Castellian does nothing but approves things, Tober does nothing but "collaborate" with ideas and "enforce" them, and the lord(s) have to do all of this work which half of the time isn't even them or could be done by a 8 year old in their sleep.

Social Circles and things aren't going to be explained. It's pretty obvious why they're bad. TGI has a lot of them and always has.

So basically through all of this, you might still wonder "why not try to keep it alive for as long as possible? if we keep it alive then we might be able to make progress!"

Let me answer your question with another question:

If a loved one was put into a comatose/vegetable state and had to live on life support for the rest of their life, literally sitting in a hospital without being able to interact with anything, why would you keep them in that painful state? Why would you not let them just pass on and rest.

in other words-

TGI was great. We loved it. It's dying. We shouldn't try to stop it from dying, because all that is doing is tearing it apart and making it have a bad rep. Let the legend (what is left of it) live.



tl;dr:
tgi is dead let it die ok?


note:
feel free to argue with me seeing as how im not going to look at the thread
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Imitater is not online. Imitater
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24 Mar 2014 02:08 PM
are you complaining about social circles
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Pyramis is not online. Pyramis
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24 Mar 2014 02:09 PM
5 PAGES INCOMING
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smorg30 is not online. smorg30
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24 Mar 2014 02:13 PM
tis all true, hence all the oldies leaving
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Iysander is not online. Iysander
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24 Mar 2014 02:14 PM
"I joined in a simpler time when we had just gotten done with the war with X101, when everyone was happy,"

Even if you don't like me anymore, still was fun back then and all.
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jeen123 is not online. jeen123
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24 Mar 2014 02:20 PM
You have some valid points.

But remember, VAK once had a time when many people left, and it wasn't doing so well. And look at it now.
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HopeOfRome is not online. HopeOfRome
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24 Mar 2014 02:21 PM
@jeen123

sorry i have to go back on that note

but uhh

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAH YEAH ITS TOTALLY BETTER AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

brb drinking bias bleach
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smorg30 is not online. smorg30
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24 Mar 2014 02:21 PM
ikr jeen, it's even worse, proves his points exactly.
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LordGovand is not online. LordGovand
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24 Mar 2014 02:21 PM
u were op when i raided tgi as a vak


Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
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HopeOfRome is not online. HopeOfRome
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24 Mar 2014 02:22 PM
@lord

if it was at SHI, its because i had better guns
im not a good gun fighter, only sword fighter

(wow look at me totally looking at this thread)
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jeen123 is not online. jeen123
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24 Mar 2014 02:24 PM
@Hope I may not be as good as it was once before. But still better than 99.99% of the clan world. Maybe even 100%. Who knows?
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Basketor is not online. Basketor
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24 Mar 2014 02:24 PM
Let it die
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HopeOfRome is not online. HopeOfRome
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24 Mar 2014 02:24 PM
allow me to reinstate my words again

BIAAAAAAAAASSSS BLEEEEAAAAACCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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zonzerfog is not online. zonzerfog
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24 Mar 2014 02:27 PM
Opinions.
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HopeOfRome is not online. HopeOfRome
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24 Mar 2014 02:27 PM
@imitater

no, because social circles WILL happen regardless of how strict people are and what laws are enforced. this is a child's game and the inhabitants cannot be expected that much of
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NightBladeFighter is not online. NightBladeFighter
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24 Mar 2014 02:27 PM
TGI is dieing!
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crockdile is not online. crockdile
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24 Mar 2014 02:28 PM
yeah, we're in a rut.


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Dystra is not online. Dystra
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24 Mar 2014 02:29 PM
half life 3 confirmed
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warmakers is not online. warmakers
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24 Mar 2014 02:29 PM
>VAK got 150 to a rally last saturday


>of those, 50 were VAK




>VAK dying?

>nop
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Palosus is not online. Palosus
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24 Mar 2014 02:29 PM
tl;dr

~Palosus A
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HopeOfRome is not online. HopeOfRome
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24 Mar 2014 02:31 PM
@warmakers

OOOOOO WE GOT A WISE GUY OVER HERE OOOOO IM BURNT SO HARD

oh wait whats that
they had more then a days notice

...wait say that again
oh clans can pull big rallies all the time with notice?
gotcha
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Dystra is not online. Dystra
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24 Mar 2014 02:32 PM
In all honesty though I agree with some of the points made here and they have hampered TGI for a while, but we're DEFINITELY repairing ourselves and we won't die.
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Laziascus is not online. Laziascus
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24 Mar 2014 02:32 PM
Jeen calm
FC and Galsia are still here
VAK can sit behind 3rd
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smorg30 is not online. smorg30
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24 Mar 2014 02:33 PM
@dystra


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWL90wryyOw
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warmakers is not online. warmakers
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24 Mar 2014 02:34 PM
@hope



i dont think there was more than a days notice but ok
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