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Re: This whole 'group rename feature'

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E981 is not online. E981
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20 Mar 2014 12:28 AM
"OMG YES, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOREVER, THANKS ROBLOX!
THIS IS AS GOOD AS THE USERNAME CHANGE UPDATE!"

Actually no.

Just wait until some copier of your group, just decides to go out & buy a group of a lower group ID,
then change the name of it to your group's name,
only with a space,
or some other character.

Turns around, then calls you a fraud of his group.

I can only imagine the number of VAK fakes that would decide to do this.



There's no way to screen out fakes either, it's a matter of defining,
what is, & isn't a fake in the website's coding.
It doesn't distinguish between characters, or words,
unless they're specifically programmed into the site to be screened out,
stuff like swear words ect.

The admins aren't going to make lists of which group was made first with which group name. There's over 600,000 groups on this game,
it would be an impossible task,
not to mention costing them a lot of money in wages for moderating.

If they did employ a system like this, it would be on a word basis, so groups who original had the word's "Empire", or "Nation", or something,
would be able to keep these words,
new groups hypothetically wouldn't be able to.
That is assuming they do a word system, if they did a letter system, it would be far more complex, take a lot more time & money,
& rest assured they would never do something like that.

They may add some kind of 'previous group names', list, however simply having a group name change feature present,
goes a long way in fooling the average player.





All in all, this just gives the average Helghast copy/VAK-fake a leg up in trying to defraud original clans.

Whoever suggested this idea to the admins,
I can't wait to see the look on your face when your group ends up getting ripped off completely, then you end up getting made out to look like the fraud, publicly.



Not sure if this is actually coming out, or if this is a rumor,
for the sake of original groups,
I hope it never comes out.

Kudos to the idiot who brought this to the attention of the admins.
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LastThoughts is not online. LastThoughts
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20 Mar 2014 12:29 AM
tl;dr
tl;dc
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Pyramis is not online. Pyramis
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20 Mar 2014 12:29 AM
To the first two paragraphs, I expect there's going to be a little thing that shows you what it's name was before the change, like username changing?
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Vauce is not online. Vauce
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20 Mar 2014 12:30 AM
support!
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Fauxtillion is not online. Fauxtillion
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20 Mar 2014 12:31 AM
or they just add that (?) thing that they've got on profiles and all is solved.

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Cubyfan22 is not online. Cubyfan22
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20 Mar 2014 12:32 AM
It'll always be known which group is real and which is fake.
People already know true leaders with fake leaders, and know which clans are which.
It'll be a matter of success rather than of name.

Which will be a problem, people will start to choose the leader over the clan.

"Power doesn't make a person, it's what they do with the power that makes them." - Cubyfan2/CommanderUnity | Add 16,381 Posts
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Cloudruin is not online. Cloudruin
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20 Mar 2014 12:32 AM
Support.

-hail lag
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E981 is not online. E981
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20 Mar 2014 12:35 AM
Even if a list of names is added,
some users don't even bother to mouse over on those things.

Bottom line is that because an update like this exists,
it just makes it more easier to fool other users into following a fake group.

Also, simply because the original group's name could have been something else, then the name was changed to some identical from an original group they're copying off of,
who's to say that the person who actually copied it wouldn't just say;

"My group's original name was so & so, then I changed it to this,
& THAT NOOB, COPIED ME u fake u"
Bottom line is,
in a contest of one person's word against another,
most people believe whoever has the lowest group ID.
>Again, simply defrauding original groups




Also if the admins actually do make this,
if they don't charge more for a name change than it takes to make a new group, they're dumb because they loose a larger cut of robux off each sale,
which indirectly equates to actual money lost in each sale from a virtual group.
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Fauxtillion is not online. Fauxtillion
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20 Mar 2014 12:37 AM
If they're too dumb to mouseover the renamed history box then no one will care what they have to say.
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Sasook is not online. Sasook
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20 Mar 2014 12:39 AM
why does this matter if they try to impersonate your clan

if youre the real clan then why worry about imposters that nobody pays attention to anyway
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Vulturite is not online. Vulturite
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20 Mar 2014 12:42 AM
It's always fun to see the feeble arguments people make on E9's threads.
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Sasook is not online. Sasook
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20 Mar 2014 12:45 AM
@vulturite,

its funny watching pieces of trash like you trying to be condescending
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Vulturite is not online. Vulturite
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20 Mar 2014 12:46 AM
I critique their arguments, I don't refer to people as "pieces of trash." Your own example just crashed on itself.
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E981 is not online. E981
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20 Mar 2014 12:47 AM
"why does this matter if they try to impersonate your clan

if youre the real clan then why worry about imposters that nobody pays attention to anyway"
--Because they could make an argument against you that you can't disprove.
In a conflict between one user's word, & another, the one with the lower group ID,
has the more convincing evidence.


Someone could just copy RAA with different characters & say something along the lines of;
'Oh,
I made this group who's name was original so & so, but then I changed it to RAA, then Sasook copied my group!'

There's no other way to prove who's group is original outside of group ID.
If they update something like this, your group is no more original than the next, in terms of proving it.





Granted you can just tell people
'My RAA is the original clan, you're an idiot if you didn't mouse over the [?] icon to find out'.

Then what if someone does decide to take a lower group ID,
name it after your group,
call you the fake,
then through whatever means actually makes his group really popular & famous,
in essence using your ideas/likeness to further himself like some kind of a group stealing-jardvaldez.

I've seen it before.
2coolfirework's Raven empire had around 8,000 members in 2012, was moderately know.
Then someone else made a Raven Empire & got around 30,000 members in it.
If someone did that to your group,
simply the fact that they have a lower ID,

& you've got no solid way of proving it outside of using the generally known socially biased tendency towards people knowing your is the real group.

What I'm getting at is they steal your idea, & if they go too far, they can convince so many people, that eventually it's impossible to reverse.
& an update like this simply makes it a whole lot easier for them to do this.



Anyone who actually supports this idea, is either stupid, or is just fighting E981 simply for the sake of fighting E981 because they don't like him.
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Vulturite is not online. Vulturite
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20 Mar 2014 12:47 AM
*Awaits the "I have higher post count" or "join date" or "my clan's bigger (giggity)" comeback from Sasook*
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Theribus is not online. Theribus
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20 Mar 2014 12:48 AM
tl;dr


_//:[• Freedom shall ring my fellow Artillians •]:\\_
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elijahiscool is not online. elijahiscool
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20 Mar 2014 12:48 AM
Have you tried taking in up with the Admins here?
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E981 is not online. E981
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20 Mar 2014 12:48 AM
"It's always fun to see the feeble arguments people make on E9's threads."
--I know.

"Oh damn, E981 posted a thread, looks like it took a while to type, could be potentially fact based perhaps. I'm going to fight E981 for the sake of fighting him, I don't care about what the thread says. E981 posted it, so he's going to get a fight from me!"
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Vulturite is not online. Vulturite
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20 Mar 2014 12:49 AM
No, like really Jeremy. Every time I'm bored, you make a post on C&G and I am entertained.
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elijahiscool is not online. elijahiscool
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20 Mar 2014 12:50 AM
"Oh damn, E981 posted a thread, looks like it took a while to type, could be potentially fact based perhaps. I'm going to fight E981 for the sake of fighting him, I don't care about what the thread says. E981 posted it, so he's going to get a fight from me!"

Swap that with anyones username and welcome to ROBLOX.
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Sasook is not online. Sasook
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20 Mar 2014 12:51 AM
they can say they copied RAA all they want but they cant replicate the RAA decals i have from 2010 nor will their replica be anywhere near as good

we've already had a replica group and we crushed them and i took over the group
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elijahiscool is not online. elijahiscool
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20 Mar 2014 12:52 AM
Well I know UCR will be safe. (GID = 18)

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twinzer87 is not online. twinzer87
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20 Mar 2014 12:52 AM
"tl;dr
tl;dc"

I like that...
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E981 is not online. E981
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20 Mar 2014 12:53 AM
"Have you tried taking in up with the Admins here?"
--Frankly,
if they're this stupid enough to be talked into making an update like this, especially when they give people stupid random bans for no reason, or little to no reason, & turn down any & every appeal made about these bans,
I doubt they can be talked out of it.

Honestly, I can see people trying to defraud my groups,
but then again I quit, it's nothing to me at this point.

I would rather sit back & let all the average 'I think I know what I'm doing' C&Gers bear the ill effects of this update, because ultimately, it was more than likely some 'smart C&Ger' who thought this would be a great idea to update.


In effect, really not my problem.
You guys really made this mess, now reap the benefits of your stupidity.
Lord knows I've entered many forum debates in C&G on the side of reason & logic, only to be blatantly fought against simply because other user's dislike me,
or are intimidated by my building, or some completely stupid irrelevent reason
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elijahiscool is not online. elijahiscool
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20 Mar 2014 12:53 AM
Posting something like "tl;dc/" is just showing to everyone you don't care, also known as being an attention... ..seeker. Kind of arrogant if you ask me.
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