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| 27 Feb 2014 08:51 PM |
disclaimer: I am not trying to offend anyone or be racist, I just want a peaceful conversation with an evolutionist, thank you for your understanding
hello, my name is metaluigi. today, I am here to discuss the topic of evolution. is it really true? these days, there are many controversial debates about it. I do not like it when ppl are mean during debates, like calling names. both religious ppl and Atheists need to understand each other and each other's beliefs.
for me, I doubt the existence of evolution. it doesn't really make sense. how do the cells in humans manage to be formed from the cells of gorillas and monkeys? it's not like we randomly transform or anything. what's up with that. gorillas can't just turn into us for no reason. how do species change so bigly. it is not a comprehensible subject.
also, there is not enough proof of evolution. the only proof we had was some guy named Charle Darlin, and he is dead right now. unlike Christianity, there is an entire book called the bible that gives us many proof and examples of how creation works. evolution only has experiments that take forever.
remember, please keep this a peaceful conversation. I do not want ppl to get offended by racism or misogyny. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 08:55 PM |
No offence but on creationism, I don't understand how a "god" would come up and magically create the universe, doesn't make sense. Any explanation? As on evolution, fossils have been found. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 08:56 PM |
Religion is based on ignorance and fear of a nonexistent being.
Evolution is based on science.
Choose your side. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 08:56 PM |
@ChicagoPoliceOfficer Would it make sense for nothing to create something? Would it make sense for nothing to create the universe? |
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| 27 Feb 2014 08:57 PM |
@Chicago god isn't just a figure that came out of nowhere. He is what makes up our minds. He has always existed since the beginning of time. His origins are placed deep into our minds that not even we could comprehend. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 08:58 PM |
@rock why must people like you have to barge in on here and straight up insult people's lives, ideologies, customs, and traditions? this is what we believe in. you can't tell us what to do. religion is for the independent people who know that they are truly free minds in this big world. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:02 PM |
| Meta, cells evolve over thousands and thousands of years, and never stop until some event causes them to go extinct. They keep improving. Such is the natural order of all life, everywhere, as far as we know on Earth (though, this probably applies to life in the entire Universe.) Cells are in CONSTANT competition to survive. They evolve to face their next enemy, like humans create new weapons to face down the next nation, or a hostile predator. If cells do not evolve, they will die. They would be overcome by a superior organism. Such is how life has become so vibrant, complicated, and diverse on our planet. This is, also, why, if you bring a species to a part of the planet it has never been to, it may become "invasive." The native species, simply, have never met the threat, and have never had enough time to evolve, so some go extinct. If we were to look at a place on this planet thousands of years from now where invasive species were introduced (that is, if mankind doesn't do something to remove the invasive species), then the life around the invasive species may be extinct, or would have evolved to face down the new species. And, of course, that invasive species would, over time, evolve to face the newly evolved enemies! Such is how life evolves. Randomized mutations, over thousands of years. If a mutation goes wrong, the organism dies. If the mutation creates an advantage over an enemy species, the organism reproduces, the new trait is incorporated, over time, into the species. And so on, and so on, and so on infinity until something happens to the system. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:03 PM |
| idk i don't believe in creationism that's for sure |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:04 PM |
| Oh, and by "something happens", I mean something like what would happen if the Sun stopped burning. No more life on Earth, unless something else takes it's place to provide life and allow it to evolve. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:05 PM |
Well, Rocky, after reading your post, I've decided to up my game and make a comprehensive argument. Please take your time to read it all.
Why should a Christian ministry maintain a list of arguments creationists should avoid? As a ministry, we want to honor God and represent Christ well when we defend His Word. This means using honest, intellectually sound arguments that are based in Scripture, logic, and scientific research. Because there are so many good arguments for a recent creation (which the Bible clearly teaches), we have no need to grasp at straws—arguments using questionable logic and tenuous or no evidence. Answers in Genesis is not willing to distort evidence or resort to bad logic to defend the Bible.
Furthermore, there is little harm in avoiding questionable arguments—or, at least, stating that certain interpretations of evidence are doubtful—since there are plenty of valid arguments with well-documented evidences against molecules-to-man evolution, atheism, and the like. Using bad arguments allows evolutionists to easily “refute” creationists by sidestepping the actual case for biblical creation. Even one instance of using a faulty argument can lead someone to write off creationism as pseudoscientific and dismiss creationists as shoddy researchers—or charlatans!
A final reason for avoiding flawed arguments is that it leads to faulty thinking. Answers in Genesis is not just about defending a young-earth creation; ultimately, the ministry wants to teach people to start from Scripture and think biblically in all areas of life. The Bible explains the world around us, and since the Bible’s description of earthly things is true, its gospel message is also true.
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:06 PM |
The Big Bang was proven by science, space radiation, the age of the universe, etc. One question about Christianity, if Adam and Eve were the same race, then how were people of other races such as blacks, Asians, etc created? Did god just magically make one? |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:07 PM |
| And, oh.... so - called "gods" on Earth could, actually, have been alien species that introduced life to this planet. Maybe they realized that the planet could sustain life, and brought it here. Maybe aliens came here, deposited microscopic cells, and left them to evolve for thousands of years. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:07 PM |
| Yes, but what created the big bang. It could not be created by nothing. It had to be created by something. That thing or the thing that created that or so on and so on is our god. God is not created by nothing nor something. He is beyond logic is not bounded by anything. This must be so unless you believe nothing can create something. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:09 PM |
| Chicago, that is another story. Different human "Races" evolved for their environments. Human races are living proof of evolution! (as if there weren't other examples to use.) African - Americans have darker skin for a reason. Asians have smaller eye openings for a reason. Etc. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:09 PM |
| The gods are not "aliens". They are simply divine beings known to man. In every man's mind, we have a different understanding of divine beings. Some are monotheistic, some are polytheistic, etc. In the end, gods are the true essence of life, in which all of humanity can agree on. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:09 PM |
| Falsidge, you can believe in aliens if you want. It would actually make sense if we worshiped aliens who brought life to Earth. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:11 PM |
| Meta, until you bring out some scientific proof, I am not going to a theist. End of story. Now, until you create a theory that is scientific about "religions", I am going to go with the theory that all gods could be aliens who brought life to Earth, and then, maybe, later on, visited Earth and told us what they did. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:11 PM |
| All I am trying to say is nothing never created something. Nothing never has and never will. And so God must exists. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:11 PM |
@rocky I know, but I'm asking Christianity that questions with their beliefs that Earth and the universe were created with god, Adam and Eve, Jesus Christ, etc. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:12 PM |
| Even aliens can believe in gods. Why do you think that various species of life believe in leadership? Why do you think animals form packs? Clans? Hunting tribes? It's because life is in need of a supreme leader who can truly take care of us, the normal individuals. That is why gods exist. That is why leaders exist. Back then, many religions were created at the beginning of civilization. Why? Because they were seeking a true, wise, leader. Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad. All these people were what made life great. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:12 PM |
| There can only be 1 god. If there are multiple Gods 1 God will be stronger than the others. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:14 PM |
I have two questions:
1. Where did the big bang come from?
2. How did we get cells which require every piece to be in the right place at the right time to work or else, if something is missing, the cell dies? |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:15 PM |
@rocky Why must you think that everything has to be determined by statistics? Life is not just about data or numbers. Life is about thinking beyond what you've learned. Life is about going past the irrelevant phases, life is about going to seek the truth! That is why philosophy exists. We cannot just interpret life in a single way. Everyone has the right to interpret life their own way. That is why every human being is unique and diverse. Following the hivemind will just hinder our progress, and slow down civilization as a whole. |
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| 27 Feb 2014 09:21 PM |
| Life is about following logic. And logic says we didn't appear from nowhere. By the way - the "pack instinct" that a lot of animals follow is an instinct that evolved over time in order for them to survive. See? Evolution is EVERYWHERE. See your hands typing? Evolution. See the trees outside? They evolved. See the grass everywhere? Evolved. See the cat on TV? Evolved. |
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