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HowlingInShadow is not online. HowlingInShadow
Joined: 07 Mar 2013
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11 Mar 2014 09:12 AM
Hi there, Admins. This is probably the first and last time I will do this, as you have possibly made me as furious and hurt as I can be, so let's keep this quick.

I am a German-American who has watched events unfold for some time. The HRI was the latest victim in your anti-German group deleting spree, which is frankly infuriating. You see things like the German Eagle(Symbol of the Holy Roman Empire, 1st Reich) and the Iron Cross(German Empire, 2nd Reich and the Bundswehr) and, from these events, what must go through your mind is "Oh mah gawd deez Nawzis we hash to destroi dem all".

The HRI was mass reported and our Kaiser was bannes because of incompetence. Bavaria's leader and their group uses similar imagery, so why aren't they deleted? Favoritism? Because they don't FULLY relate to a German group?

The Imperial German Empire's name was deleted for NO REASON, except for possible relations to the SECOND REICH(German Empire). Firstly the downright IGNORANCE has cost the members of the HRI their home, their place in the community, and the scorn of the RSSR because they feel that YOUR deletion of the HRI is their victory, so they decided to just waltz their way into starting trials.

I don't care if you think this is the wrong forum; it's just a suggestion.
And I doubt you will even listen to it.
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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11 Mar 2014 09:46 AM
Why don't you make a clan not based off the Nawzis





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HowlingInShadow is not online. HowlingInShadow
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11 Mar 2014 10:26 AM
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trogyssy is not online. trogyssy
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11 Mar 2014 10:28 AM
Germany + WWII = Nawzis

End of story.

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iLordified is not online. iLordified
Joined: 01 Sep 2012
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11 Mar 2014 10:33 AM
tl;dr

wth?

ww3?

wot?!

lemme get my SCAR-L Assault and Mk 17 (SCAR-H) Battle Rifle pls.
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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11 Mar 2014 10:51 AM
You took my b8, m8.

Clannies are easy to b8



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deltav is not online. deltav
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11 Mar 2014 11:00 AM
"Germany + WWII = Nawzis

End of story."
[2]

Also, if you have problems with that, then you should appeal the ban.
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Xyrial is not online. Xyrial
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11 Mar 2014 11:16 AM
Being a German myself, I fully support this.
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Espithel is not online. Espithel
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11 Mar 2014 11:32 AM
Rules are made out of prescriptivism.
It's not about *IF* it's wrong,
It's about if the general public *THINK* it's wrong.

Are you in the same band as those infamous Germans?
Apparantly not, according to you. That's prescriptivism- you're saying you ARE NOT those Germans, under any circumstance.
That's not the problem, though. The problem is the general public, which are descriptivist.

When we, the ignorant public, hear the word reich, what part of German history do you think we'll look at first? That reich.
When we hear Imperial German Empire, what do you think we'll think of? That era... Well, personally, I'll be the bit before that era, but still.
When we hear Kaiser, what do you think we think of?
When we hear German Eagle, what do you think we think of?

Whether that *IS* right isn't the question.
Do we *THINK* it's right? That's descriptivism.

You stated the problem right in your OP:
"The HRI was mass reported"

Rules are descriptivist, and thus, because the general public condemns something, ignorantly or otherwise, it's condemned.

That's ignorance in a descriptivist way, because you ARE NOT those Germans- "How dare they think we're those Germans! What ignorant fools!... I promise to never RP ever again...

But, in a prescriptivst way, that's awareness, because they're taking public concern into consideration. "The public don't like this, so we better not offend them."

And, rules are prescriptivist, so prescriptivism wins.

Also, I know that descriptivisim and prescriptivism aren't used correctly in the right way because we're not talking about language, but it's the closest word we have, okay? >:U

As for Bavaria... I could probably give you why they're not condeming that, but tbh, I can't be bothered to research it.
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Espithel is not online. Espithel
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11 Mar 2014 11:35 AM
One downside to using Prescriptivism and Descriptivism is that you get them wrong all the time, which I just did countlessly in my OP, apologies.

Prescriptivism is the general public's view, what they *THINK* is right.
Descriptivism is what *IS* correct.
There.
Now you get to point out every single muddling of the two words and it's legible.
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HowlingInShadow is not online. HowlingInShadow
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11 Mar 2014 12:09 PM
When you hear Kaiser, think of an Empire as it is German for Emperor.
When you think of Reich, notice it is the THIRD Reich, There must have been two before that.
Bavaria was a part of Germany during WWII and they have WWII tech, so why are we the only ones being attacked?

I am a member of the HRI, but I am trying to go about this very delicately. If I could have my way this thread would be a tribute to how much I hate Admins, blah bleh blah.

Ignorance fills the cup that is Roblox.
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deltav is not online. deltav
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11 Mar 2014 12:10 PM
"Ignorance fills the cup that is Roblox."
demographical focus on kids, yadda yadda, you know how it works
i dont like it either
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Detrotsid is not online. Detrotsid
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11 Mar 2014 12:31 PM
Reich means Kingdom.

Germany + WWII = Natze. Not everything in WWII with the Germans was Natze related you know.

Espithel makes a good point on the publics view on this though. Everyone's always going to assume that anything German related is going to make them think it's racist or bad. I'm also pretty sure a bunch of people reported the group aswell.
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HowlingInShadow is not online. HowlingInShadow
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11 Mar 2014 12:43 PM
Unfortunately for the demographics I was taught about the German Reich's, all three, in 3rd bloody grade. Not to mention in the state of Indiana which is supposed to be part of the low education area.

Assumptions should never be made. If you just go by what your told your not better than the Nawzis you compare us to.
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Detrotsid is not online. Detrotsid
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11 Mar 2014 12:44 PM
Well said, Howling.
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trogyssy is not online. trogyssy
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11 Mar 2014 12:50 PM
Germany + WWII still = nawzis

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HowlingInShadow is not online. HowlingInShadow
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11 Mar 2014 12:54 PM
Not all German's were Nawzis. Germans that went against the movement were removed or put in camps, so you don't hear about them.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2The2rQp1q8/UA7IP3pnZsI/AAAAAAAAGlo/z4IERGIhmbE/s640/August_Landmesser.jpg
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charlieandboomer is not online. charlieandboomer
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11 Mar 2014 01:23 PM
You act like all the German groups have been deleted. You also act like no other group has been deleted.

Please dont respond to this comment, your making everything to confusing.


Cats in a cart in the parking lot of Walmart
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HowlingInShadow is not online. HowlingInShadow
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11 Mar 2014 01:28 PM
That comment was also really confusing.

I am named two German groups. I pointed out Germanic groups that have not been deleted yet, but that is because they don't directly identify with Germany.

If you don't want a response don't post on my thread.
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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11 Mar 2014 01:48 PM
Ohmigawd this is the first group ever deleted(!)





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Espithel is not online. Espithel
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11 Mar 2014 02:13 PM
"When you hear Kaiser, think of an Empire as it is German for Emperor.
When you think of Reich, notice it is the THIRD Reich, There must have been two before that."

I don't need to say anything new, really.

That's prescriptivism. That's what it *IS*.
What it is is irrelivant. What the matter is is what people *THINK* it is.

We, the ignorant public, don't know what the previous two Reichs are and don't know that Kaiser is german for Emperor (Thanks for that bit of knowledge), and thus we do make assumptions.


If you want an nice, easy example of why you have to pay more attention to what people think is right instead of what is right,
Think of that symbol that those people used. That one that looked like a cross.

That is a hindu symbol for love and prosperity,
So naturally, when a pokémon card puts love and prosperity into their artwork, Americans go crazy, because they THOUGHT that pokémon is affiliated with those people. To the point of people changing the card in the American version.

The temple shaped like that symbol in Zelda got an outroar because it made people THINK that Nintendo had an affiliation with those people. That temple never saw day.

The fire temple in occarina of time had chanting that was removed in remakes because people THOUGHT it was anti-muslim.

Best example, and something not related to Germans? Jynx, the once fully black pokémon with big lips. There was a racism outcry because people THOUGHT Jynx was racist and tada, Jynx was made purple from then on.

Cheerios commercial THOUGHT to be racist, changed and altered.

Magic the Gathering, when it was about to hit mainstream, stopped printing cards with the word Demon or Devil to stop people THINKING it had a satanist agenda. (They've continued since about 1999, and Demon decks are some of the most interesting.)

The list goes on and on.
Groups that are apparantly not affiliated with those people but still close enough to make the ignorant public THINK they are? Yeah, there you go.

It's not what IS true.
It's what people THINK is true.
Ignorance is definitely a crime, but it, in the end, is everywhere, and you cannot fight it.

This is a more personal question,
But do you honestly need to say "Imperialistic German Clan", as in "German" is a trait? Can't you have an "Imperialistic German Clan" without the "Imperialistic German" name? I actually don't know what you mean by Imperialistic German Clan. I assume Bismarck, but I know about him. People who don't will most likely think the 1914 war.

As for Baravia, you make it sound like an actual place.
I thought it was just a name for a group.
See? We are ignorant, and that's very annoying, yes.
But the public opinion is so powerful, and so ignorant, that if you want to prevent controversy, you need to wipe these things.

It's not what *IS* right,
It's what people *THINK* is right.
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trogyssy is not online. trogyssy
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11 Mar 2014 02:23 PM
Idk what this is about getting into other time periods, but Germany + WWII will always = Nawzis

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Espithel is not online. Espithel
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11 Mar 2014 02:27 PM
Well, before WWII, there was WWI, and then there was Bismarck, who basically conquered all the places around him with his country Prussia to create germany.

Bismarck carefully created a lot of sensical and peaceful relations with neighbouring countries, which were demolished by his sucessor.

WWII people, the people people (unfortunately) associate the most with Germany, weren't Imperialistic. It's an "Imperialistic German Clan" that's got banned.

For an Imperialistic German Clan, you have either Bismarck or WWI to choose from, and WWI is not what smart people would pick from.
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