HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:21 PM |
pros:
cons: pointlessly edgy obvious wish fulfillment encouragement of unhealthy romances bad fanservice bad characters bad plot bad character design bad soundtrack bad animation bad voice actors bad side characters bad protagonist
overall score: 0/10 |
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:28 PM |
You stole my idea...
Also, note to self: Make a concise anime review of Mirai Nikki eventually. |
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:30 PM |
Also, you are way too unfair.
Even when I did my Concise Review of School Days, my personal most hated, I was fair, I pitied out the positives. |
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:30 PM |
| Pointed out, not pitied out, sorry about that. |
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HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:33 PM |
im going to reply to your posts by number
1. i don't care 2. i don't care 3. i don't care |
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:35 PM |
@Hilo
Not even a counter argument? For someone who wants his point to be agreed with, you aren't doing a good job of defending it. |
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HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:43 PM |
@ph
1. "you stole my idea" isn't an argument 2. "you're unfair" isn't an argument 3. correcting yourself isn't an argument
if you want me to argue,
actually present an argument |
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 01:55 PM |
Ok, then
"Pointlessly edgy"
You mean overly violent? I've seen worse violence.
"Obvious Wish Futfillment"
There are great stories with wish Futfillment in them, so not a con.
"Encouragement of unhealthy romances"
Yes, because everyone will want a murderous psychopath as a girlfriend after watching this show (Sarcasm)
"Bad fan service"
The fan service annoyed me as well, as it always does, but aren't you the one wearing Kill la Kill-themed clothing?
"Bad plot"
Actually, I really like the premise, and the plot, despite having holes, is pretty engaging.
"Bad character design"
I like the character design, kind of anime enough to not be creepy, but still realistic enough to be taken seriously.
"Bad soundtrack"
NO. Even if every other part of the show is crap, I will defend the soundtrack until the end.
"Bad animation"
It doesn't really pop like Attack on Titan's or Gurren Lagann's, but I really admire the design and backgrounds.
"Bad Voice Actors"
I never watched the dub, and I can't evaluate Japanese voice acting, so I cannot judge that.
"Bad Side Characters"
Actually, the side characters were the most developed characters in the show: they all have their motivations and personalities.
"Bad protagonist"
Hello! I'm the only person who doesn't mind whiny protagonists! |
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HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 02:34 PM |
"You mean overly violent?"
no
"There are great stories with wish Futfillment in them, so not a con."
just because other things have it doesn't mean it's not bad
"Yes, because everyone will want a murderous psychopath as a girlfriend after watching this show"
it's bad and supports abusive relationships
"The fan service annoyed me as well, as it always does, but aren't you the one wearing Kill la Kill-themed clothing?"
the fanservice in kill la kill =/= the fanservice in mirai nikki
"the plot, despite having holes, is pretty engaging" "I like the character design" "I will defend the soundtrack until the end"
your opinion is wrong
"Actually, the side characters were the most developed characters in the show:"
that is not a good thing
"I'm the only person who doesn't mind whiny protagonists!"
it's not about him being whiny it's about him being pointless, a self insert, and a bad shinji ikari reincarnation
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 02:59 PM |
"No"
Then what do you mean?
"Just because other things have them doesn't mean it's not bad"
True, but honestly, the wish futfillment is one of those things that is in the eyes of the beholder.
"The fanservice in Kill la Kill =/= The fanservice in Mirai Nikki"
Ok, then how is it worse?
"Your opinion is wrong"
What? WHAT? WHAT!?
Ok, I have so many things I want to say about that argument that I can't settle for just one, so here are my top 5 responses:
#5: "Your opinion is wrong"
Did you just turn into a YouTube commenter?
#4: "Your opinion is wrong"
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that I was talking to a ten year-old.
#3: "Your opinion is wrong"
So what makes your opinion right?
#2: "Your opinion is wrong"
Why are you stating it like a fact?
#1:
That is so illogical... It's actually kind of funny!
Anyways...
"That is not a good thing."
Why not?
"It's about him being pointless, a self insert, and a bad Shinji Ikari reincarnation"
I can think of several events in the series that couldn't have happened without him, so he wasn't pointless.
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HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 03:11 PM |
"Then what do you mean?"
"As far as I can make out, edgy occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy -- not to mention the spending money -- out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan."
"True, but honestly, the wish futfillment is one of those things that is in the eyes of the beholder."
what are you talking about
"Ok, then how is it worse?"
kill la kill is a comment on the disgusting nature of fanservice in animes like mirai nikki
"What? WHAT? WHAT!?"
your opinions on the subject aren't as educated as mine and therefore wrong
you can't look at one character and decide on the character design for that specific character. when people talk about character design, they mean the ENTIRE CAST of characters. mirai nikki's character design is literally all over the place, there's nothing consistent about it so it comes off as disorganized not thought through and an eyesore.
the plot was boring af didn't make sense and was basically another battle royal only with diaries
the soundtrack was just plain old terrible
"Why not?"
are you seriously asking why it's bad that the supporting characters, that die in the same episode they're introduced in, are more developed than the main cast
"I can think of several events in the series that couldn't have happened without him, so he wasn't pointless."
"oh yeah he jumped in and saved the day with his darts once" that's not going to cut it and those events were half assed attempts at making him seem not completely useless
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 03:26 PM |
"What are you talking about?"
I mean that just because you interpreted that way, doesn't mean the people who created it did.
"Kill la kill is a comment on the disgusting nature of fanservice in anime like Mirai Nikki"
Mhmm. And Jack and Jill is a commentary on terrible comedies.
"Your opinions on the subject aren't as educated as mine and therefore wrong"
Look, my friend, let me teach you a lesson: Opinions are opinions. Everyone has one. You can choose to disagree with opinions, but you cannot say people's opinions are wrong, unless they are morally or politically incorrect, which is not the case.
"Are you seriously asking why it's bad that the supporting characters, that die in the same episode they're introduced in, are more developed than the main cast?"
By that logic, every single who dies in a story would be called wasted development, which is not the case.
"Oh yeah he jumped in and saved the day with his darts once" that's not going to cut it and those events were half assed attempts at making him seem not completely useless"
Still, it means he has a point. A pointless character would mean that he could be replaced by a box of cereal and the story would be exactly the same, which is not true.
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HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 03:33 PM |
"I mean that just because you interpreted that way, doesn't mean the people who created it did."
THEY DID
"Mhmm. And Jack and Jill is a commentary on terrible comedies."
if you don't like the facts don't talk to me or even post
"Look, my friend, let me teach you a lesson: Opinions are opinions. Everyone has one. You can choose to disagree with opinions, but you cannot say people's opinions are wrong, unless they are morally or politically incorrect, which is not the case."
let me teach you something
this isn't third grade, your stupid opinions can be wrong, you don't need self assurance that you can have something that never can be wrong. everyone has them, some of them are more educated than others and therefore more credible, like mine.
"By that logic, every single who dies in a story would be called wasted development, which is not the case."
no that doesn't apply my logic at all to anything i don't even know how you interpreted anything similar to what you're saying what are you talking about
"Still, it means he has a point. A pointless character would mean that he could be replaced by a box of cereal and the story would be exactly the same, which is not true."
that's wrong a pointless character is one that does absolutely nothing important throughout said work and, if they do actually do something important, could have easily been done by another character because they are not needed |
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 03:44 PM |
"THEY DID"
Proof. Now.
"If you don't like the facts, then don't talk to me or even post"
See above.
"this isn't third grade, your stupid opinions can be wrong, you don't need self assurance that you can have something that never can be wrong. everyone has them, some of them are more educated than others and therefore more credible, like mine."
Ok, there is a difference between opinions and facts. Facts CAN be wrong because they are supposed to be the truth. For example, if I said "The Capital of London is Paris," I would be wrong, because I'm stating an invalid fact. Opinions don't have to be based off of truth, though they can be, but they are mainly based on people's views on the world. This means that, like I already said, unless the opinions are politically or morally incorrect, which is NOT the case, then opinions cannot be right or wrong, but you can agree or disagree with them. Also, what makes your opinions more credible besides your word?
"What are you talking about"
You are saying that if a character dies, their development is pointless.
"a pointless character is one that does absolutely nothing important throughout said work and, if they do actually do something important, could have easily been done by another character because they are not needed"
In most stories, the main character's job could have been done by someone else, but that doesn't mean the main character is pointless.
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| 10 Mar 2014 03:57 PM |
"Proof. Now."
site mechanics prohibit me from doing so
"facts can be wrong"
that's all i need to read about that to know you're wrong, so i'm not going to read the rest of it because it goes against the english language and logic
"You are saying that if a character dies, their development is pointless."
dude what where did you even get that idea from
"In most stories, the main character's job could have been done by someone else"
literally what the hell are you talking about
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 03:58 PM |
Answer my question: What makes your opinion more credible than mine?
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:02 PM |
Also, please read the rest of my argument, because if you don't, I'll have to disregard your opinions and leave, which I don't want because I am thoroughly enjoying this debate.
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:26 PM |
"What makes your opinion more credible than mine?"
i already said |
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HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:27 PM |
"Also, please read the rest of my argument, because if you don't, I'll have to disregard your opinions and leave"
bye |
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:28 PM |
"Bye"
Does that mean I win?
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:30 PM |
"Does that mean I win?"
it means you couldn't accept what i was saying is true and are quitting ;] |
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:31 PM |
"it means you couldn't accept what i was saying is true and are quitting ;]"
No, It means you are refusing to provide a valid argument, which means you are the one giving up.
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HiIoman
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:34 PM |
"No, It means you are refusing to provide a valid argument, which means you are the one giving up."
i gave a valid argument and you gave the ultimatum "read my idiotic mumbling or i leave"
to which i say, bye |
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:35 PM |
It's not idiotic mumbling, this is idiotic mumbling:
Grah? I liek School Days and Boku no Pico! I am so manstram!
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phoniex
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| 10 Mar 2014 04:38 PM |
And besides, I'm reading all your arguments and responding to them, even though I disagree with them, so why can't you?
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