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DarakkenVonGray is not online. DarakkenVonGray
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10 Mar 2014 10:55 AM
My brother, not saying his account, states that Socialism is better than Capitalism. Please help me on this and give points on how Capitalism is a better system. Reply with points here.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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10 Mar 2014 10:56 AM
Because socialism just makes you suffer whereas you can live a decent life with capitalism.
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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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10 Mar 2014 11:01 AM
Because socialism just makes you suffer whereas you can live a decent life with capitalism.

Interesting. Care to bring up some points to defend this?

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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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10 Mar 2014 11:03 AM
In socialism you stay poor for paying for everyone else's(is this the correct word?) faults.

Rich people who give to the poor couldn't exist because they never would be able to get rich.
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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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10 Mar 2014 11:07 AM
In Socialism land owners are hanged and their property is given to the government.
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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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10 Mar 2014 11:09 AM
In Socialism land owners are hanged and their property is given to the government.

Wow. That sounds terrible. You should provide proof to back up claims such as those.
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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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10 Mar 2014 11:10 AM
See WW2 - Russian invasion of Poland.
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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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10 Mar 2014 11:12 AM
See WW2 - Russian invasion of Poland.

The Soviet union was communist, not socialist.
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DarakkenVonGray is not online. DarakkenVonGray
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10 Mar 2014 11:18 AM
Communism is a division of Socialism.
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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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10 Mar 2014 11:22 AM
Communism is a division of Socialism.

But they are still not the same thing. It's not really valid evidence to support his claims. If he were to perhaps bring up a socialist country that did that then perhaps I'd buy that.

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diamondmark is not online. diamondmark
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10 Mar 2014 12:25 PM
So if communist Russia can be held accountable for socialism, then sweatshops, massacre of trade unionists, prvatisation of rain, investment in apartheid and mass pollution and agent orange must be mutually exclusive to capitalism?

Socialism is more compassionate but in capitalism there is more competition because of private ownership and you need to do well to get good amounts of money so I guess you'd produce more goods! Also inflation would probably stay quite low because trade unions would have less power (check that one).
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JamesGalt is not online. JamesGalt
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10 Mar 2014 01:11 PM
http://youtu.be/v1U1Jzdghjk
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10 Mar 2014 02:15 PM
- Capitalism breeds competition, which in turn breeds progress. In a capitalistic government, you have corporations competing with each other. Because of this competition, progress is made in order to best provide for the consumer. In this sense, capitalism pushes mankind further. Also, capitalism encourages entrepreneurialism by its free market economy, making anyone capable of running a business. In turn, innovation and progress are promoted.
- Every country with actual socialism has been or is a failure. Past failure tends to be a predicator for future failure.
- Socialism makes for a bad, closed economic stance in the foreign markets, leading to a bad home economy.
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MidmystSalt is not online. MidmystSalt
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10 Mar 2014 02:25 PM
A bit dated, but you can apply it to other similar situations (such as Chile vs Venezuela, or North vs South Korea)

"Capitalism has created the highest standard of living ever known on earth. The evidence is incontrovertible. The contrast between West and East Berlin is the latest demonstration, like a laboratory experiment for all to see. Yet those who are loudest in proclaiming their desire to eliminate poverty are loudest in denouncing capitalism. Man’s well-being is not their goal."

- Ayn Rand
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12 Mar 2014 04:13 AM
In 1995, 45 per cent of Venezualans lived in poverty. When Venezuelans protested against the then President Pérez - he unleashed “Caracazo”, a Tiananmen Square-style massacre in which hundreds of protesters were slaughtered. Venezuelans delivered Chavez a landslide victory in 1998. At the time, he advocated the Third Way approach championed by Tony Blair, but his key strategy was to use oil riches to fund social programmes. Poverty rates collapsed from 50 per cent to around 25 per cent; extreme poverty was reduced by two-thirds. This represents the second-biggest percentage-point drop in poverty in Latin America. The World Bank itself revealed that while Venezuela's GDP per capita income languished below the continent's average before Chavez came to power, it is now $13,120, higher than Brazil or Argentina, against an average of $8,981. In 2012 it had the biggest drop in poverty.

Slightly edited Owen Jones :). I understand why a lot of people may refute socialism, it just didn't seem like the best of comparisons you could make (also, if you mean savage capitalism then that wrecked the economy, in some ways much worse than Allende).
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diamondmark is not online. diamondmark
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12 Mar 2014 04:24 AM
And it is true that inflation runs at over 50 per cent but, under Chavez's neo-liberal predecessor Rafael Caldera in the 1990s, it topped 100 per cent. State media is clearly biased in favour of the government. But it has a derisory audience share, and the dominant private media remains biased in favour of the opposition, which also backed the Pinochet style coup which killed numerous innocent people in 2002.

I have no intention of condoning human rights abuses and excessive violence against protestors and journalists, but are you saying human rights were good before Chavez? Caracazo says not, but this was not made out to be connected with the principles of free market capitalism >_>.

More editing! Apologies, hopefully its not too long anymore.
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12 Mar 2014 05:48 AM
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