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Re: Modern clan leaders should rethink priorities. Read this.

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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
Joined: 24 Sep 2011
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02 Mar 2014 11:05 PM
Honestly, clans have never been perfect. There's always been flaws, especially when coming to superclans.

But it seems every week now there's a new VIP clan with no legitimate experienced soldiers.

Examples:

BWE
USA
Trophic Legion http://www.roblox.com/Groups/Group.aspx?gid=1049640
Veloxic Empire http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=936982
Velocity Nation http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=921558
UAG http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=362983
"The B.E.E" http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=138866
Robloxian Military http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=852023

There's plenty more I haven't listed, but these are more noticeable.

Now, you can call me out for owning IE considering DarkRider formed it off of VIP for his garbage/FM games, however I've altered IE a hell-of-alot in the past 7 months.

When I think of making a clan, which I have no intentions of doing anymore, I think of owning a group of prestigious individuals who are well-respected in the community (at least, for the most part), not some cheap piece of crap clan that I recruited 8K members in 2 days or whatever for.

If you make a clan, you can expect wars.

When a VIP Group LMaD leader or whatever the hell you want to call it makes a clan, they expect it to be a walk in the part.

"Oh, my clan will get active and crush everyone because numbers > everything! Just like 300K robux > 100K!"

No.

Honestly. This is where the common stereotype that LMaD'ers suck at leading comes from.

There are plenty more ways effective ways to make money than making a bad clan that will legitimately lose every war it encounters.

I often come across the question:

"Would you rather be poor and loved, or rich and hated?"

And in reality, when you make a clan, you immediately step foot into the clan world. It is the leader's decision whether or not they would like to become hated or adored by the clan world.

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Onward to my next point as to why clans are deteriorated.

The first generation of clans and clan leaders has gone. It is no more. The remnants have scattered are go unnoticed due to their insignificance.

In it's place steps greed and ignorance as far as the eye can see.

Essentially, a clan requires a decent foundation to structure. As you see these VIP clans grow and become more common, the presence of a strong structure becomes less and less until there is none.

This new clan, "Trophic Legion", will utterly fail as a war clan. The reasons are obvious, and it's entire purpose is null.

It'll be used as a punching bag, just as Veloxic Empire was (and still is).

There is no slight decency or quality in the foundation of it's members, and thus the activity is formed straight from the miniature fingers of inexperienced 8 year olds who'd like to abuse admin in a popular place because it boosts their self worth.

When you look back at the most successful and influential leaders, like benblue9 or Dignatio, there is no greed. There is no need for such a waste of space in the clan world in their perspective, which is why their clans, at least during the time of their leadership, were so great. Though, I do still consider UAF and FC to be great clans. Other opinions will vary, of course.

Today, as this course of action and "fad" promoting greed, originating from the place we know today as LMaD, continues, it is directly effecting, not only the quality of the clan world, but it's influence.

The leaders of these disgraces to the clan community have utterly scarred the integrity of clans as we know it, and you all know so too.

Now, of course, there's nothing I can do about these garbage VIP clans stepping foot into the once strong barrier between quality and utter crap.

The best you can do, at this point, is refuse to acknowledge them as a clan at all. Come up with your own definition as to what a ROBLOX clan is if you'd like.

I know I certainly don't consider many of the clans listed above as actual clans.

They are not clans.

As C&G has said before, they are "fanclubs", in reference to mostly Team Domino.

Of course, these clans can be repaired after time. If you let is sit and die, or just exile every single incompetent member in the clan, it may be restarted.

I know SR1 had a stable foundation with Iron Force, and look at where it came from. None other than jaredvaldez4.

The leaders originating from different perspectives on what clans are, are those who decide the fate of the clan world. Hence, VIP clans and their leaders' utter hunger for virtual currency rather, which will never be put to any good use, versus their opponents, the decent leaders who put their time and money towards a decent war clan which becomes, not only well-respected by the community, but a decent foundation for the enjoyment of other players on the site.

The latter, in turn, becoming the superior force which ends up steamrolling those terrible quality opponents that the creators dare to call 'clans'.

These abominations are not clans. They are fanclubs and the source of advantage for inexperienced 8 yr olds with an unoriginal and terrible name that are referred to as clans, which, in consequences, ends up as a huge failure neglected, eventually, and ignored by the clan community.

Arcen is the perfect example.
Veloxic Empire is a perfect example.

Other clans such as it are examples.

In 2010-2011, the quality of clan leaders was significantly higher than that of today.

Well-respected leaders, such as Benblue9, Dignatio, Fighters1234, and even Splecki (from my perspective), had the qualities of that which we find scarce in the modern clan world.

Clans that were founded off of quality, in a sense, such as UAF or FC, which in turn became hugely successful, are slowly disappearing from the books as these inferior clans, which are thought to succeed by their ignorant and power hungry leaders, come to view for a short period of time as the community sits in awe at the rapid growth.

After only days, maybe hours of discussion, these 'clans' are neglected and thrown into the hypothetical pile of "they think they're a good clan but they have no influence whatsoever". In today's society regarding clans, power clans have taken over. How long this will last, I'm not sure. Good be months, or even years.

Clans today lack influence. The first generation of clan leaders or followers have disappeared, and it's they're not going to return. Clans are not going to get better, especially with these "lesser groups" popping up quite frequently.

There is nothing one individual can do, but the community, C&G, which does play a role, whether you believe it or not, in clans, can choose to regard these abominations as "non-clans".

In 2015, I estimate that the number of these VIP clans, brought to you by the excess greed exhorted by our lovely neighbor to the south, as well as the rest of the so-called "game-developing and wealthy population of ROBLOX" will be doubled than it is now.

You cannot stop it, because for some reason these people think they're doing something, when in reality, they are not achieving squat.

They're not impacting the clan world, and the only shred of money they gain is from place visits and cheap gamepasses which are scarcely bought due to the utterly degrading quality of their members.

Litozinnamon, a renowned game developer here at ROBLOX has made more than 10 times that of the average VIP clan leader, from only one game. Is he involved in clans whatsoever? No.

There are no purpose for these VIP clans. They're punching bags sitting there for anyone to take a swing at, and they won't miss. They do not earn respect, they do not contain quality members, and they will not succeed as long as they still run the way they are.

The fact that any leader of a newly-made VIP clan thinks he'll make any significant earnings from his clan compared to that of what he could make as a legitimate businessman here on ROBLOX is absurd.

The clans, and their leaders, are laughingstocks.

That's how they will be remembered. It's embarrassing, truly, and it's a key cause to the deterioration of clans over time.

You won't have leaders like benblue9 or other historic/influential figures seen around the modern clan world as often as you did in 2009/2010. Instead, you'll see LMaD'ers rolling in their virtual currency thinking they're achieving something while their group is laughed at and drop kicked by the superior ones that still exist.

I hope those wealthy leaders certainly do enjoy people ignored or laughed at by the superior majority of clans.

It'll truly a pleasure to watch them realize their failure.

rant over
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Zegions is not online. Zegions
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02 Mar 2014 11:05 PM
jesus got bored after the first few words
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YourPancakeGuy is not online. YourPancakeGuy
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02 Mar 2014 11:06 PM
This.

o7
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Solarization is not online. Solarization
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02 Mar 2014 11:06 PM
tl;dr
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Arliss1707 is not online. Arliss1707
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02 Mar 2014 11:06 PM
support 100 percent

although it is a bit long
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BigBBQ12 is not online. BigBBQ12
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02 Mar 2014 11:08 PM
tl;dr clan leaders need to grow up
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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
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02 Mar 2014 11:08 PM
I wanted to get my points across.

I would have made it longer but my eyes hurt.
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Rquinox is not online. Rquinox
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02 Mar 2014 11:09 PM
ie hasnt gotten any better with you though
youre struggling
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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
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02 Mar 2014 11:09 PM
Oh we sure are!

/endsarcasm
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Zegions is not online. Zegions
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02 Mar 2014 11:09 PM
no offense
but do you remember your LMaD phase lol @TheUlt?
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Kaluosi is not online. Kaluosi
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02 Mar 2014 11:10 PM
*drives car into word wall*
*car explodes*

ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
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FortisAquila is not online. FortisAquila
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02 Mar 2014 11:10 PM
Support 100%
(Only read the first 3 sentences)
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mentelfigure is not online. mentelfigure
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02 Mar 2014 11:11 PM
support

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つMOLLY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
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Rquinox is not online. Rquinox
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02 Mar 2014 11:11 PM
google image logo btw
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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
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02 Mar 2014 11:11 PM
"but do you remember your LMaD phase lol @TheUlt?"

Surely.

I LMaD'ed, but I was involved with clans long before I touched a single limited hat.

I actually knew how clans worked, and I was only in LMaD for 2 months or so before I bought IE and spent every tix or robux on IE.

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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
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02 Mar 2014 11:15 PM
Just realized how long this thread is.
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Rquinox is not online. Rquinox
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02 Mar 2014 11:16 PM
why havnt you realized how long ie has failed yet then
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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
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02 Mar 2014 11:21 PM
What's funny is that you think what you say is legitimate and you think it effects my clan at all.

Lol. My clan has been running for 7 months. Surely not the most active but I would say, and several others, would say that it's not bad.

As for you, you're one of those tryhards that try to fit in by bandwagoning, but have honestly not done crap to influence C&G in any way.

You're not significant, and you think you are. You think IE is bad because of me, because I rejected you as a high rank and you hopped onto Brad's back trying to get noticed because in reality you're like 12 years old and lack the voice to get anything known whatsoever.

IE has a better structure than a lot of other clans out there. You've interacted with IE probably 3 times, but you've never been in it during my leadership so the crap that comes from your keyboard warrior self is absolutely nothing compared to the people who are experienced in my clan and actually know what they're talking about.

Go get upset that you haven't effected my leadership at all in the 7 months I've owned IE and the 7 months you've been utterly buttmad that I've had more success in clans than you.

"Google image logo btw!11"

http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=131688

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IntenseSnows is not online. IntenseSnows
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02 Mar 2014 11:28 PM
imperium empire isn't exactly the ideal example of a vip clan turned around, but it's a lot better, and to a point where it's considered an actual clan.

-Hunterspeedy
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BEEZit is not online. BEEZit
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02 Mar 2014 11:29 PM
"The B.E.E."

They made a clan to whorship me?

HAIL!
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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
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02 Mar 2014 11:29 PM
Thanks Intense.

I'm certainly trying.

@BEEZ

Who wouldn't?!?!?
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BEEZit is not online. BEEZit
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02 Mar 2014 11:31 PM
@Ult, IKR?!?

*worshiped
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Vaporized is not online. Vaporized
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02 Mar 2014 11:43 PM
i'd just like to say that FEAR was a vip fanclub pretty much when it began in Jan of 2010
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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
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02 Mar 2014 11:45 PM
Yeah.

And that new clan Trophic Legion is owned by a mentally ill well-known LMaD'er who thinks it will succeed.

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BEEZit is not online. BEEZit
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02 Mar 2014 11:46 PM
Yes, we know of FEAR's VIP obsession.

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