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| 01 Mar 2014 11:52 AM |
"1.) Explosions occur randomly throughout the attack, in corners of the buildings, and the middle of floors. "
Random explosion disproves that it is a controlled demolition. These "explosions" that occur mostly happened due to elevators falling down the shafts.
"2.) The Pentagon wall exploded outward, which is EXACTLY was a C4 on an inside wall would do, not a plane"
That is blatantly untrue and we have video evidence of the plane crashing into the Pentagon.
"3.) All surveillance cameras of the Pentagon and WTC 7 were removed minutes after the attack."
False. Again, one of the security cameras caught the plane crashing into it. And there's plenty of videos of WTC 7. Remember that WTC 7 was evacuated.
"4.) The stairs and elevators were destroyed seconds before the plane hit. "
Again, false.
"5.) WTC Building 7 collapsed randomly. It was never hit by a plane, there was never a fire. The building floors started exploding and it came crashing down."
That is simply a lie. WTC 7 did collapse from a fire. The entire south side of the building was devastated by fire. Simply Google "WTC 7 South Side" to see it.
There are tons of videos of this.
The videos "truthers" use typically show the north side in which remained in tact. Even in those, you can see the left-hand side of the building have inwards before its collapse, confirming that it was not a controlled demolition.
"I think 9-11 is a conspiracy, and it was a physiological threat against America planned carefully by FEMA and the American Government."
BS.
"Keep in mind all the WTC buildings collapsed perfectly. Just as a carefully controlled demolition would."
False. The Twin Towers collapsed precisely like they would have if collided with a plane.
You can watch the video footage and see the part where the building was struck begin to bow inwards before its collapse. This is due to the heated metal bending and pulling on the sides.
And guess where the building falls from? Where it was hit by the plane. Exactly. You can see this.
Plus, after the towers fall, for several seconds, several support structures are still clearly visibly standing, disproving the idea that there were explosive in the support structures.
This in no way whatsoever resembled a controlled demolition.
"Opinions or thoughts?"
You're gullible.
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:02 PM |
why do people feel the need to bicker and argue over whether or not it was a conspiracy thousands of people died, it was a world-wide tragedy, and le fedora-wearing redditors and all these other obnoxious pricks have to argue over whether or not the government planned it
♫ I've opened up my eyes / Seen the world for what it's worth / Tears rain down from the sky ♫ |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:04 PM |
| Well if we had the black box we would know exactly what happened. They were able to find bone fragments in the rubble but couldn't find a black box? They were able to find a black box in the ocean but not in a pile of rubble. Hmm.. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:04 PM |
it was a plane
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:05 PM |
"why do people feel the need to bicker and argue over whether or not it was a conspiracy"
Because thousands died. So people should stop trying to make up blatant lies about this to feel special and like they're "going against the system" or something.
"thousands of people died, it was a world-wide tragedy, and le fedora-wearing redditors and all these other obnoxious pricks have to argue over whether or not the government planned it"
But it was explicitly clear that it was not a conspiracy and all the evidence supports this.
By lying about it for your own personal enjoyment is disrespectful. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:07 PM |
| Watch the Jessie Ventura episode about 9/11. It brings up a lot of good points. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:10 PM |
"Well if we had the black box we would know exactly what happened. They were able to find bone fragments in the rubble but couldn't find a black box? They were able to find a black box in the ocean but not in a pile of rubble. Hmm.."
I actually never heard of this conspiracy theory and had to Google it to figure it out. It turns out that these "black boxes" were, indeed, recovered. http://www.911myths.com/index.php/The_Black_Boxes
I'm not sure what this proves even if they weren't recovered. Things surviving a plane crash it difficult.
Saying that "the footage didn't survive the plane crash is a lie, that they actually did and the government is covering it up" is just ridiculous. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:11 PM |
| Fahrenheit 9/11 and Zeitgeist,i suggest you watch those movies OP. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:12 PM |
"Watch the Jessie Ventura episode about 9/11. It brings up a lot of good points."
That video is full of absolute blatant lies! The entire thing! Research any of those points and you'll find they're BS.
Jessie Ventura is known for lying. One video he even purchased a random image drawn by an artist online and claimed that it was proof of a death laser.
Trusting Ventura on conspiracies is like trusting Ken Ham on science. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:12 PM |
| Yes they were found (of course) but was the audio ever released to the public? |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:12 PM |
"Fahrenheit 9/11 and Zeitgeist,i suggest you watch those movies OP."
I have, again, they're full of deceit and lies, many pretty blatant which a few seconds of research disproves.
Simply research this stuff and you'll find it's BS. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:14 PM |
"Yes they were found (of course) but was the audio ever released to the public?"
I don't know and I don't care. Lack of evidence isn't evidence at all. For all I know the audio may have been destroyed.
Incompetence is always more likely than conspiracy. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:16 PM |
| Maybe they don't want it released to the public because it may reveal some secrets.. What should the public know about more than attack from terrorists on their homeland? |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:19 PM |
"Maybe they don't want it released to the public because it may reveal some secrets.."
Maybe there's secretly an invisible Death Star that shot a laser beam at it. Maybe it was attacked by a herd of invisible pink flying unicorns! |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:20 PM |
| A good response, but not educational enough. You *do* realize that to completely destroy stored audio and video is nearly impossible, right? You can disassemble, crush, burn, and then plunge a microchip into saltwater and STILL debug data. Another thing, elevator shafts are mostly empty save for pulleys and mechanisms stabilizing it and keeping it in place. There aren't "floors" in an elevator shaft, just programming to stabilize it at a certain area. My tap water, straight from the source, can dissolve glass. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:23 PM |
"A good response, but not educational enough."
And by that you mean...?
"You *do* realize that to completely destroy stored audio and video is nearly impossible, right? You can disassemble, crush, burn, and then plunge a microchip into saltwater and STILL debug data."
That is not true in the slightest. Audio is very easy to destroy.
"Another thing, elevator shafts are mostly empty save for pulleys and mechanisms stabilizing it and keeping it in place."
... and a MASSIVE ELEVATOR.
"There aren't "floors" in an elevator shaft, just programming to stabilize it at a certain area."
It's essentially a giant empty shaft in which has a massive elevator in which can free fall to the bottom.
"My tap water, straight from the source, can dissolve glass."
It is impossible for glass to dissolve into water... |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:24 PM |
Maybe there's secretly an invisible Death Star that shot a laser beam at it. Maybe it was attacked by a herd of invisible pink flying unicorns!
Wow did you let all the harmful chemicals in your food get to you? The government is doing a good job at making you idiots gullible and having you believe anything they tell you. I bet you believe in man made global warming too. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:25 PM |
| How about that one terrorist who had his passport, and it was "in the middle of the massive explosion" and survived unscathed and untouched? Unlikely, isn't it? |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:26 PM |
| And elevators are metal they don't really just explode like that |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:27 PM |
| A "massive" elevator can only reach a certain velocity before it reaches its peak and is incapable of going faster without additional force other than gravity (vectors ftw). Audio is *not* easy to destroy, maybe what SOURCES IT, but not the audio itself. Data inside of data inside of a source inside of a source in a tiny chip is damned hard to get rid of. Another thing, AA guns. They're *everywhere* in America. I live in a barely populated area and a stray plane went into a non-flight zone and was shot down immediately. What makes you think that the most populous city in America wouldn't have a source of protection, through air, land, ocean? Passenger planes signals can be shut off remotely from control towers as well. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:28 PM |
"Wow did you let all the harmful chemicals in your food get to you? The government is doing a good job at making you idiots gullible and having you believe anything they tell you. I bet you believe in man made global warming too."
Precisely the response I expected from a conspiracy theorist. "You provide me evidence that it wasn't a conspiracy?! YOU MUST BE CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT! OMG SHEEP I DONT CARE ABOUT EVIDENCE! THE GOVERNMENT IS A LIE AND BELIEVING THEY WERENT BEHIND IT IS GULLIBILITY!"
"How about that one terrorist who had his passport, and it was "in the middle of the massive explosion" and survived unscathed and untouched? Unlikely, isn't it?"
Not really. Explosions aren't controlled. Little things can randomly survive here and there. Finding "anything that has survived" is very likely. Finding "a specific thing that has survived" is very unlikely.
Don equate the two. |
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| 01 Mar 2014 12:29 PM |
| Yeah, and that exact thing that survived a fireball and plane crash WITHOUT A SINGLE BURN OR SCRAPE was the passport identifying the terrorist? Really? |
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