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| 24 Feb 2014 09:26 PM |
This is the conversation that got him exiled:
2/24/14 9:59:26 PM] EchoDuplication: I've demoted Jack705 [2/24/14 9:59:36 PM] EchoDuplication: That was generally disgusting of an HR to do. [2/24/14 10:00:10 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: You are not authorized to do that [2/24/14 10:00:14 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: Echo, you're abusing your power. [2/24/14 10:00:50 PM] EchoDuplication: That kid just said "P-p-power trip" right behind me while i was telling sentinels to be disciplined [2/24/14 10:01:03 PM] EchoDuplication: you're - if you think i'm abusing my power [2/24/14 10:01:13 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: i swear [2/24/14 10:01:18 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: echo [2/24/14 10:01:20 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: just stop [2/24/14 10:01:27 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: we're not vak [2/24/14 10:01:39 PM] EchoDuplication: he's going to be a problem. [2/24/14 10:01:54 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: You're the problem, right now. [2/24/14 10:01:55 PM] EchoDuplication: you can't keep both of us in this group and im not gonna have him mess all my trainings [2/24/14 10:02:06 PM] EchoDuplication: again, this is your group [2/24/14 10:02:08 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: The soliders are scared [2/24/14 10:02:13 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: because of you [2/24/14 10:02:18 PM] EchoDuplication: you can exile what you believe to be "the problem" [2/24/14 10:02:23 PM] EchoDuplication: this is your group [2/24/14 10:02:48 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: Echo. [2/24/14 10:02:53 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: Are you making me choose again? [2/24/14 10:03:01 PM] EchoDuplication: last time the guy was - [2/24/14 10:03:07 PM] EchoDuplication: this time I'm frankly just mad [2/24/14 10:03:24 PM] EchoDuplication: he flamed me openly in front of a ton of sentinels [2/24/14 10:03:40 PM] EchoDuplication: that scum won't see a high rank again while im in this group [2/24/14 10:03:48 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: He will [2/24/14 10:03:52 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: Because he's staying HR [2/24/14 10:04:01 PM] EchoDuplication: I'll keep demoting him, looks like you need to exile me [2/24/14 10:04:29 PM] Jack Tolman [LordValrath]: Request accepted.
He pretty much abused power, and was overall pushing his luck.
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Alright, so we all know EchoDuplication is a troll, sometimes annoying, or sometimes a flamer. Well in this case he was being mature, at least at the start of this conversation. He had every right to demote Jack. High ranks should not disrespect the 2IC of a group, seriously.... |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:27 PM |
honestly i'm half glad this happened
it's clear that valrath wont be able to ride this to the end which sucks |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:27 PM |
[TMK]
He was 3iC, btw. And I only "disrespected" him after he basically said LV's orders didn't mean anything and that he did what he wanted. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:28 PM |
it's 50/50 but having echo as a hr in your clan is bound to fail sooner or later
--ill be the first one who cares |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:28 PM |
Echo, I am honestly glad I was exiled from honor too, want to join TKF?
We tend to raid Honor. c: |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:29 PM |
It was the 3iC, not the 2iC. Small difference, but it matters.
Furthermore, Jack was correcting him on multiple mistakes Echo was making, and Echo turned around and called Jack "pathetic scum" far before the conversation you posted occurred.
Echo publicly humiliated and disgraced Jack in front of Honor Soldiers.
In no way is anything Echo did respectable and was in no way a correct way to handle the substitution.
Not to mention, Echo turned back to the troops and used Jack as an example of "Who not to be" |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:31 PM |
| Should've demoted him than exiling him. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:32 PM |
| It is shameful to point out mistakes of someone above you in public. A proper high rank would have messaged Echo privately instead of making him look bad in front of his soldiers. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:34 PM |
| Jack's demotion should have stayed. Echo didn't deserve exile or a demotion because no one reported wrong doings of Echo, at least that wasn't discussed in the conversation that got him exiled/demoted. So honestly, this was a stupid decision on LV's part. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:35 PM |
| What leader takes the side of a high rank over that of his third in command? A third is command should be someone you trust, you shouldn't just exile them for them wanting to demote a disruptive high rank. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:35 PM |
Oh, Oh, Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot a detail.
Scourged was saying virtually the same things Jack was, calling echo out on the same mistakes.
Does that change things? I forgot to mention it earlier.
And Echo said those things i previously posted while in front of not only the Honor soldiers, but also Scourged himself. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:35 PM |
Lol, what I see is this, LordV called his bluff Now he's mad about it You could have just worked around it. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:37 PM |
| @DrInfuscate, So essentially you're proving my point further. A high rank is calling him out in front of a low rank that did they same thing. Yet he's 3IC, I don't care if the high rank doesn't agree with him that should be kept private. Echo punishing the disruptive high rank was also able to be a way to discourage the disruptive low rank from continuing, in turn training it. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:39 PM |
But the way Echo responded to Jack, by turning around and degrading him rather then handling it professionally was a bad leadership quality, and is another reason he was removed from his position. Sure, Jack was wrong for saying "p-p-power trip". But echo retorting with multiple disgraceful remarks was far worse, as he's in a higher position and was expected to maintain a higher level of discipline.
<-> Infuscate/Xavier83 Reincarnated <-> |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:41 PM |
In real life military commanding officers insult disruptors all the time as a way to embarrass them so they don't continue, as well as put fear in them.
Sure, on Roblox Echo shouldn't have done this. But LV didn't even bring it up in the conversation, so that wasn't why he got punished. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:43 PM |
Actually Short, being an E-2 in the US Army, I can attest that what you said is completely untrue. When it comes to NCO's, sure. However people in command positions will never do that.
Think real quick to what happened to my personal idol, General Patton. I'm sure you've heard how he was removed from command for, i believe it was, slapping a soldier who had shell-shock.
He was completely removed from not only command, but was sent on leave. Roughly the same thing that happened to Echo. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:46 PM |
1. Hitting someone is different for insulting them.
2. If a commander is training his men while a Lt. is behind him insulting him, that commander would probably not only yell his ear off, but cause him to get court marshaled. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:47 PM |
Why. Are we bringing real life. Into a virtual game.
Why. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:47 PM |
"echo just stop we're not vak"
lol'd
~مانند یک گانگستر واقعی~ |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:47 PM |
In this case it's the third in command of the group training the men while a warlord is disrupting.
Do you not realize how important a third in command is? If 2IC and 1IC leave, 3IC takes over. The fact that he'd be entrusted with that responsibility, while still exiled for disciplining a crappy high rank is just messed up. |
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| 24 Feb 2014 09:48 PM |
| @gbronzeman, Roblox war clans are a role-play of real life. |
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