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When you think of it, DevEx was a terrible idea.

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DataStore is not online. DataStore
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24 Feb 2014 05:43 PM
This is what annoys me about people, incredibly. Stop using the "that's the first thing we saw after economic decline, lets blame it on that" mentality. It's utterly ridiculous.

The current economic problem is caused by a wide variety of factors, the minimal of which is DevEx in my utterly honest opinion. The main issue, causing the economic problem, is that tickets don't have any EXCLUSIVE uses, therefore people don't have an incentive to actually trade their "hard-earned" Robux to Tix. ROBLOX changing their ad system to be both Robux and Tix as quite a large contributing factor, as people who were dumping a ton into TC no longer do so.
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CoolJohnnyboy is not online. CoolJohnnyboy
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24 Feb 2014 05:47 PM
"roblox doesn't post their private money business. How would you know they are losing $?"

and how would you know they aren't?

"This is what annoys me about people, incredibly. Stop using the "that's the first thing we saw after economic decline, lets blame it on that" mentality. It's utterly ridiculous.

The current economic problem is caused by a wide variety of factors, the minimal of which is DevEx in my utterly honest opinion. The main issue, causing the economic problem, is that tickets don't have any EXCLUSIVE uses, therefore people don't have an incentive to actually trade their "hard-earned" Robux to Tix. ROBLOX changing their ad system to be both Robux and Tix as quite a large contributing factor, as people who were dumping a ton into TC no longer do so."

Don't deny it wasn't a big cause of it too
I'm not saying it was the begginning, it just made things worse.
And honestly how do people make robux from games without any gamepasses? They use tickets.
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Javeman2000 is not online. Javeman2000
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24 Feb 2014 05:48 PM
@fatal, well, considering they give away 17,000 dollars a month and no later they added price floor(most likely to help pay for devex by pushing NBC into getting BC), take a hint.
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Javeman2000 is not online. Javeman2000
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24 Feb 2014 05:53 PM
@Data,

May'be you should stop the mini-mod economist mentality. It's utterly ridiculous.
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Buckeyeman0923 is not online. Buckeyeman0923
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24 Feb 2014 05:59 PM
@Jave
i'm talking about flappy bird, not ROBLOX.
flappy bird, eventually will die down because everyone hates it.
ROBLOX is NOTHING like flappy bird (excluding flappy bird games)
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DataStore is not online. DataStore
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24 Feb 2014 06:01 PM
@Jave,
As soon as you start using your brain to form an argument, I will deary.

Also, whilst you're insinuating the price floor was added to fund their latest endeavour - it's not. The price floor creation, and its subsequent raise was both a user suggestion and had valid reasons for it. Whilst true, it does incentivise people to buy BC, it would only be a minority.

If we took that the current user base is 16mill users, took away 5mill (namesnipes, etc), and went for a minimal of 1-2mill users having normal BC ROBLOX would be making (if it was monthly membership) around $11m monthly. Now, if we factored in other BC types and the fact some people are lifetme members, that would be substantially higher.

As already presented - if they didn't have the money, they wouldn't increase the rate. If they also didn't have the money, they would freeze all requests.
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Javeman2000 is not online. Javeman2000
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24 Feb 2014 06:04 PM
fyi, there's approximately 560,000,000 accounts on roblox. back in 2012 there were 200,000 concurrent users, add some calculating, dadadadada. idk just an fyi tip :c
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DataStore is not online. DataStore
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24 Feb 2014 06:07 PM
@Jave,
Did I explicitly say they were real figures? No. If anything they're merely an observation, showing that if ROBLOX couldn't fund it without killing off its user base - they wouldn't.
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DataStore is not online. DataStore
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24 Feb 2014 06:11 PM
Also, stating there are 560mill user accounts is complete balderdash. If we take an account I registered on Christmas of last year, its ID is within the 52mill. Also, ROBLOX reached 100k concurrent users towards the end of 2012 - not 200k.

If you attempt to FYI me with information, at least put a little effort in.
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SniperOnTheRoof is not online. SniperOnTheRoof
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24 Feb 2014 06:18 PM
@OP,

Your only legitimate excuse is that "inflation is happening!!1!". In my opinion, that one reason is not enough. All other arguments are invalid, and are only afterthoughts to try to reinforce your original goal.



Roblox is not going to go bankrupt, get into debt, etc etc.

IF(and only IF) they are running out of dough, then they will surely do something about it. They're not brainless teenagers that know nothing; they're PROFESSIONALS that went to colleges and universities to study business, web development, and engineering. They do not need some preteen kid blindly telling them what to do and what not to do.

The way I see it, Roblox is making an investment on DevEx to not only encourage quality games more often, but to also attract professionals and other matured developers. In a way, it is similar to a loss leader.



Go search up loss leader on Wikipedia. While it isnt exactly applicable to Roblox, the concept and end result are definitely applicable to DevEx.
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LittleL0L is not online. LittleL0L
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24 Feb 2014 06:21 PM
This is only for OBC players and this also encourage them to build good quality games so they can make money with each 100 robux. This is also WNTS, I'm TBC and I don't think OBC members shouldn't have DevEx.
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LittleL0L is not online. LittleL0L
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24 Feb 2014 06:22 PM
Sorry, I meant: OBC shouldn't lose DevEx.
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CoolJohnnyboy is not online. CoolJohnnyboy
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24 Feb 2014 06:24 PM
"This is only for OBC players and this also encourage them to build good quality games so they can make money with each 100 robux. This is also WNTS, I'm TBC and I don't think OBC members shouldn't have DevEx."

I've only seen a few legit OBC game developers break past the strong grip of copied games.
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SniperOnTheRoof is not online. SniperOnTheRoof
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24 Feb 2014 06:30 PM
@cooljohnyboy

Look at my first post, and try to answer that.
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CoolJohnnyboy is not online. CoolJohnnyboy
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24 Feb 2014 06:34 PM
"Your only legitimate excuse is that "inflation is happening!!1!". In my opinion, that one reason is not enough. All other arguments are invalid, and are only afterthoughts to try to reinforce your original goal."

As I have stated before, it is not the ONLY reason, but a BIG reason.



"Roblox is not going to go bankrupt, get into debt, etc etc."

Not yet

"IF(and only IF) they are running out of dough, then they will surely do something about it. They're not brainless teenagers that know nothing; they're PROFESSIONALS that went to colleges and universities to study business, web development, and engineering. They do not need some preteen kid blindly telling them what to do and what not to do."

"preteen kid"
I though that's only what other forums such as OT and RT call people they are having a dicussion with.
A lot of them are young, so we both can't confirm they are professionals, because we have no idea on their experience, but they are edumacated

"The way I see it, Roblox is making an investment on DevEx to not only encourage quality games more often, but to also attract professionals and other matured developers. In a way, it is similar to a loss leader."

As long as they have a young audience that is attracted to Minecraft and CoD, they will always have people taking advantage of it.



"Go search up loss leader on Wikipedia. While it isnt exactly applicable to Roblox, the concept and end result are definitely applicable to DevEx."

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Espithel is not online. Espithel
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24 Feb 2014 06:37 PM
How is REMOVING MONEY FROM THE SYSTEM causing inflation (to roblox's economy)?
The EXACT OPPOSITE is happening there.

IRL, the amount of inflation this would make (if any) is negligable.

Besides, it's their choice to throw away money.
Are you saying the charity runs they do are bad ideas because they waste money?
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ChunkyTofu is not online. ChunkyTofu
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24 Feb 2014 06:41 PM
Roblox isn't loseing money

They sell 1k rubux for 10

we give them 10k for 9k

so they profit
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iamarobloxfan is not online. iamarobloxfan
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24 Feb 2014 06:46 PM
It's fun seeing games develop and to see ROBLOX evolving.
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CoolJohnnyboy is not online. CoolJohnnyboy
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24 Feb 2014 07:14 PM
"How is REMOVING MONEY FROM THE SYSTEM causing inflation (to roblox's economy)?
The EXACT OPPOSITE is happening there."

It causes a shortage of robux

"IRL, the amount of inflation this would make (if any) is negligable."

We'll never know

"Besides, it's their choice to throw away money.
Are you saying the charity runs they do are bad ideas because they waste money?"

I'm not

"It's fun seeing games develop and to see ROBLOX evolving."

It is but I don't see any change when I look at the front page
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SniperOnTheRoof is not online. SniperOnTheRoof
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24 Feb 2014 07:25 PM
"As I have stated before, it is not the ONLY reason, but a BIG reason."
That is only your opinion, and many people would disagree.


"Not yet"
How do you know?


"I though that's only what other forums such as OT and RT call people they are having a dicussion with."
No, it is an actual word. Would you prefer the term "teenager" instead?


"A lot of them are young, so we both can't confirm they are professionals, because we have no idea on their experience, but they are edumacated."
Exactly. They're educated to know what works and what doesn't. If they're losing net money, then they'll know they're losing money and cancel DevEx. No need for a petition.


"As long as they have a young audience that is attracted to Minecraft and CoD, they will always have people taking advantage of it."
The goal of DevEx was not to remove terrible games. It was to encourage better games alongside with *those* games.


"k"
Thank you.
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Espithel is not online. Espithel
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24 Feb 2014 08:49 PM
"It causes a shortage of robux"
Which means Robux is worth MORE,
And thus inflation is DECREASED.
.-.

"We'll never know"
Then it doesn't matter, does it?

"I'm not"
You are, under the same logic.

"It's fun seeing games develop and to see ROBLOX evolving."
It is but I don't see any change when I look at the front page
That's because:
A) DevEx is only open to a few people (rightfully so),
B) It takes a lot of time for this to make changes, and DevEx hasn't been out for all that long considering,
C) the front page will never be a good source of good games.
Popular games, yes.
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CoolJohnnyboy is not online. CoolJohnnyboy
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25 Feb 2014 04:45 PM
"As I have stated before, it is not the ONLY reason, but a BIG reason."
"That is only your opinion, and many people would disagree."

And that is your opinion as well

"How do you know?"

And how do you they are gaining money?

"No, it is an actual word. Would you prefer the term "teenager" instead?"

No
How about "person"

"Exactly. They're educated to know what works and what doesn't. If they're losing net money, then they'll know they're losing money and cancel DevEx. No need for a petition."

They still got a lot of dough from the increase in popularity of the site in recent years, time will tell

"The goal of DevEx was not to remove terrible games. It was to encourage better games alongside with *those* games."

Still too many people rely on the bait and switch scam

"Thank you."

De nada

"Which means Robux is worth MORE,
And thus inflation is DECREASED.
.-."

Inflation is when prices rise. Right now 21 tickets gets you 1 robux.

"Then it doesn't matter, does it?"

It can if it wants

"You are, under the same logic."

Whatever floats your boat

"A) DevEx is only open to a few people (rightfully so),"
k

"B) It takes a lot of time for this to make changes, and DevEx hasn't been out for all that long considering,"
It's been out for a few months, when BC games came out we saw immediate change

"C) the front page will never be a good source of good games.
Popular games, yes."

But the front page is how you get mass amounts of players playing
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LittleL0L is not online. LittleL0L
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26 Feb 2014 06:22 PM
@CoolJohnnyboy Have you even seen my correction? I meant that OBC players SHOULDN'T lose DevEx, you don't even have OBC. Why should they remove it in the first place?
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Javeman2000 is not online. Javeman2000
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26 Feb 2014 06:25 PM
@little, because they spend too much of their money on it.
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Javeman2000 is not online. Javeman2000
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26 Feb 2014 06:26 PM
And it's causing mad inflation.
Read the thread a little, little.
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