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Re: Okay, this VAK vs. TGI war is REALLY confusing

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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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23 Feb 2014 01:50 PM
They agreed to an endurance war, okay?

They fought for over 5 months, okay?

TGI decided to leave this war by calling it over without officially declaring a winner while VAK is following them with a big stick.

How is that okay?

What was gained or lost?
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Imitater is not online. Imitater
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23 Feb 2014 01:51 PM
you proved to cause the biggest problems in the war so figure it out yourself
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Slaychap is not online. Slaychap
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23 Feb 2014 01:51 PM
VAK updated their base a crap ton of times, okay?

Operation Pinch was created, okay?
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gbronzeman is not online. gbronzeman
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23 Feb 2014 01:52 PM
They updated SMO a crap ton of times to make it where TGI wouldn't win.
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Slaychap is not online. Slaychap
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23 Feb 2014 01:53 PM
TravisGamer used Logic.

But it missed.

Or well, it's nonexistant in his move-set.

=O
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doomknight4255 is not online. doomknight4255
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23 Feb 2014 01:55 PM
There must be at least twelve dozen meeses in that flock.
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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23 Feb 2014 01:55 PM
That really irritated me on what VAK did.

I asked the Generals to make it fair, no response.

I just wanted a fair war.
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basketballking001 is not online. basketballking001
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23 Feb 2014 01:56 PM
Sums up here

VAK closed down for reform

TGI declared war

VAK accepted

VAK defending first day giving TGI lead

VAK caught up

Tober made some complaints about SMO

VAK added them gradually (more base entrances, wider halls, etc)

TGI stop raiding/defending for two months

TGI adds to sh 2

TGI Finally agreed to start again

VAK crushed hard

TGI called auto win

VAK continues to raid


The end
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CaptainDemocracy is not online. CaptainDemocracy
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23 Feb 2014 01:58 PM
LETS NOT FORGET

THAT TGI INTRODUCED A TOTALLY NEW BASE

Alexander II (something like that)
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basketballking001 is not online. basketballking001
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23 Feb 2014 01:59 PM
@captaon

They switched from sh2

To new Alexandria

To sh2 part 2

To SH 1

To sh 1 part 2
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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23 Feb 2014 01:59 PM
But Basket, VAK did update SMO later on to make SMO a bit unfair.

Such as the door to stop empty server raids. TGI didn't have that so it allowed VAK to hold slaughter events.
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CaptainDemocracy is not online. CaptainDemocracy
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23 Feb 2014 02:00 PM
A new base compared to a door....

Yeah that's totally equal
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gbronzeman is not online. gbronzeman
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23 Feb 2014 02:00 PM
#OperationPinch
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basketballking001 is not online. basketballking001
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23 Feb 2014 02:01 PM
Travis that door wasn't unfair necessarily

Everyone reset once it became official

Which rendered it moot

But damn was it idiotic

No one wanted to stand there waiting
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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23 Feb 2014 02:06 PM
I don't think it would be unfair for me to reveal any kept secrets in the Officer corp so I think I'll just move the spotlight to a TGI extremist.

I will say that VAK and TGI played dirty roles in the war that I didn't like since it brought unequal results and more flame.
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basketballking001 is not online. basketballking001
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23 Feb 2014 02:07 PM
Explain?
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Slaychap is not online. Slaychap
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23 Feb 2014 02:08 PM
basket, your information is inaccurate and flawed, I'll be putting new spots and fixes in, and mark it with a cursor!

VAK closed down for reform

TGI declared war

>VAK calls in a new alliance, with the excuse that they're afraid TGI will put use of CoS

>A compromise is made, yet FC members are banned from SMO. Can't get past FC stomping you much?

VAK accepted

VAK defending first day giving TGI lead

>VAK makes mass updates to their base, and even at that point, refuses to remain in official servers. Servers were even left short time after becoming official, to ensure that the terminal wasn't lost control of to the hostiles/Arcadians.

VAK caught up

Tober made some complaints about the updates added to SMO, some being the removal of an entrance, the balcony that allows VAK to wallshoot Arcadians on their, now, >ONLY< entrance into the base

VAK added them gradually (more base entrances, wider halls, etc). >Scrap this, these were not the "fixes" that were requested.

TGI stop raiding/defending for two months >It wasn't two months, and didn't VAK shut down SMO at the start of the war too? Well at least TGI didn't shut down their base, thus not signalizing any form of surrender.

TGI adds to SHII >TGI added nothing to SHII, however they removed the sniper-hill you spawned on; but that was added during the war because VAK sucked anyways!

TGI Finally agreed to start again

VAK crushed hard. >Updated their base more*

TGI called auto win. >TGI called a rightful victory, while stating all the wrongs VAK had done during the war, with evidence supplied. VAK were unable to state the wrongs TGI had done, except for the Arcadians attempt to equalize bases, which weren't possible, because SMO had become THAT unfair.

VAK continues to raid. >VAK yet remains butthurt, and sad about how they've acted throughout the war and tries to make up for it. They have yet not succeeded.
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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23 Feb 2014 02:09 PM
Went like this.

TGI Declares war,

Before war starts, SMO updated from 3 to be official and a 900 raid timer, to 6 to be official with an 1800 raid timer.

Slanted brick added in for easy access from VAK spawn, that apparrently according to Dologan was "not supposed to be there," was finally updated out.

Doesnt matter, TGI gets wins anyway, bout 16-18, we don't make too much of a fuss about it.

Next, Gh decides that the hallways are too small, introduces larger hallways.

Doesnt matter, more wins.

Gh decides that the terminal room isn't good enough, adds in a balcony and two doorways, balcony allows VAK to shoot onto the raider cliffs during entry.

VAK begins ordering only 3 VAK to be patrolling at a time, under orders of Arcane and Gh.

Alright TGI says, this is getting ridiculous, revert your changes and start fighting an actual war or we're done.

VAK says, what changes? SMO is fair and has been fair.

TGI says, alright if you don't want to play it fair don't play at all.

VAK says, alright fine we'll change.

VAK introduces giant unstackable wall, complete with 30 seconds VAK entrance from VAK spawn, and a new raider cliff obby, 1 minute and 30 second raider to wall entrance time, complete with raider cliff camp-able balcony.

Even further dissatisfied with the wins A-SOG are getting, Gh decides to update VAK forcefields so that raiders may not easily use the Vaktovian slanted rock entrance.

and it is at THIS point, that TGI changes SHII, but still complete with the roughly 10 minute bomb cap time.

Fed up with the fact that no consequences were set up for the numerous breaking of the war terms, TGI ends war.

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Vecrow is not online. Vecrow
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23 Feb 2014 02:09 PM
"TGI Finally agreed to start again

VAK crushed hard"

er........
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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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23 Feb 2014 02:09 PM
VAK did things that were wrong.

TGI did things that were wrong.

One side did things more wrong than the other.
But that can't be debated without any bias.
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Slaychap is not online. Slaychap
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23 Feb 2014 02:10 PM
Basically, in the end, both clans died.

TGI suffered to the boredom during the middle of the war, and VAK lost all of what was left of their previous prideful morality.

R.I.P. The power clans who could actually stay alive.
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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23 Feb 2014 02:10 PM
You're right Travis, it cant be debated without any bias.
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gbronzeman is not online. gbronzeman
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23 Feb 2014 02:11 PM
Rodger's statement is 100% true.
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basketballking001 is not online. basketballking001
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23 Feb 2014 02:12 PM
That sounds really biased Rodger

We were never ordered to defend in that way

The one picture from arcane saying tht was out of context

It was a TGI ESR
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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23 Feb 2014 02:12 PM
>That one picture from arcane saying that
>that one picture
>picture

You got the evidence?
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