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Re: NFC is a puppet state.

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BlackHawk100 is not online. BlackHawk100
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22 Feb 2014 03:17 PM
"Puppet state is a term of political criticism, used to denigrate a government which is perceived as unduly dependent upon an outside power."

"-dependent upon an outside power."

See, Wan, you're relying on Vaktovians to augment an arguably ineffective military force. You're totally reliant on the fact that they stay and fight for you, and, if they stopped lending you support, your defense would collapse.

Good game, puppet state.
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TomCat88 is not online. TomCat88
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22 Feb 2014 03:19 PM
nukes deployed
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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22 Feb 2014 03:23 PM
Black, I suggest taking a little bit more time to research before making statements equivalent to those of a 12 year old child.

If a group of people is interested in fighting for us and make us stronger, they're free to join. If they choose that they no longer want to, they're free to leave.

We don't base this war around them. They are merely accessories to us, and quite frankly, we like having their members here.
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BlackHawk100 is not online. BlackHawk100
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22 Feb 2014 03:27 PM
"Black, I suggest taking a little bit more time to research before making statements equivalent to those of a 12 year old child."

The irony!

"If a group of people is interested in fighting for us and (making) us stronger, they're free to join. If they choose that they no longer want to, they're free to leave."

Man, you are like a broken record. Why can this information not get through your skull?

Let me take a historic example. The Italians in the Second World War were on the brink of collapse from invasion. Thus, the Germans shored them up and sent troops to fight for them. They were interested in defeating the Allies, not fighting for Italy.

Oh, but pardon me, history doesn't matter on an online game. Well how about this? If NFC is not a puppet state and can fully defend itself, stop the influx of Vaktovians into NFC and fight your own war, coward.

"We don't base this war around them. They are merely accessories to us, and quite frankly, we like having their members here."

Idiot.
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RotomFreeze is not online. RotomFreeze
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22 Feb 2014 03:27 PM
shots fired

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Imitater is not online. Imitater
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22 Feb 2014 03:28 PM
They are only interested in attempting to kill Arcadians , and in result get killed themselves. The show no loyalty, no respect to the rules, and if you really want to promote them, I hope you like NFC being shutdown by VAK.
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DonFeskeral is not online. DonFeskeral
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22 Feb 2014 03:30 PM
Actually its a mutual benefit that works out pretty well.

"fight your own war, coward"

lol u r dum
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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22 Feb 2014 03:30 PM
NFC could fully defend and raid on its own, but we could do even better if people are rallied to fight against TGI as one of our own.
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AviationTechnology is not online. AviationTechnology
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22 Feb 2014 03:30 PM
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BlackHawk100 is not online. BlackHawk100
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22 Feb 2014 03:31 PM
"NFC could fully defend and raid on its own,"

No, you couldn't. That's why you are permitting Vaktovians to fight for you!

"-but we could do even better if people are rallied to fight against TGI as one of our own."

Did you just ignore everything I said?

puppet states tho
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DonFeskeral is not online. DonFeskeral
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22 Feb 2014 03:31 PM
Also genius its not a puppet state, a puppet state is where one power is controlled by AND dependent on an outside power.

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DeadEclipse is not online. DeadEclipse
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22 Feb 2014 03:33 PM
"NFC could fully defend and raid on its own, but we could do even better if people are rallied to fight against TGI as one of our own."

Considering the fact that you have Vaktovians fighting with you. No.
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DonFeskeral is not online. DonFeskeral
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22 Feb 2014 03:33 PM
"Considering the fact that you have Vaktovians fighting with you. No.
"

Wanna back that statement up with an actual argument?
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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22 Feb 2014 03:34 PM
Do you have something against VAK? Why should we not benefit from them?
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shadowelliot2302 is not online. shadowelliot2302
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22 Feb 2014 03:34 PM
Oh no...


He asked a skilled clan to help train his clan members..


Ahh...
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BlackHawk100 is not online. BlackHawk100
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22 Feb 2014 03:34 PM
@Don

It appears you did not read the arguments I just posted, so I will be ignoring you for the duration of this thread.

Cheers.
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BoostPowah is not online. BoostPowah
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22 Feb 2014 03:35 PM
Alright, tell you what.

If you do say that NFC can raid and defend self-efficiently without Vaktovian aid, get rid of said Vaktovian aid. If not you're just spitting hot air.

Second of all, I'd fancy having VAK groupbanned from SHI as well considering FC, UAF, ect. who joined TAG were groupbanned from SMO during the TGI-VAK war. It won't be a blow to your side though; you CAN operate efficiently without Vaktovian help, right?
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BlackHawk100 is not online. BlackHawk100
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22 Feb 2014 03:36 PM
"Do you have something against VAK?"

Why are you changing the subject? As a matter of fact, I do have a problem with you leaning on VAK.

"Why should we not benefit from them?"

Because it makes your clan look terrible. And I mean, NFC wasn't great to begin with; then here you are using VAK as a crutch.

Puppet state in all but name.
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BlackHawk100 is not online. BlackHawk100
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22 Feb 2014 03:41 PM
alright bye Wan

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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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22 Feb 2014 03:47 PM
'Puppet state is a term of political criticism, used to denigrate a government which is perceived as unduly dependent upon an outside power. It implies that government's lack of legitimacy, in the view of those using the term.'

Our government is absolutely in control of what it is doing. The Vaktovian members that have chosen to join NFC are here to fight under our government. We will not remove them considering they bring in benefits and are liked by our community. In addition, it's silly to complain when only 5 Vaktovians have managed to earn the rank which enables them to partake in this war.

When TGI floods our servers, or when it tags along with other groups such as RAT, FC, FEAR, and TRA frequently, we don't back down and address it without the use of any shady tactics.

In the contrary, on numerous occasions, we've waited for TGI to respond, witnessed TGI members leaving to make servers not official, and rallying at other servers waiting for our numbers to lower to improve their chances.

NFC doesn't fight this way, and neither does it make any public outcries when it wins or loses. We are simply concerned with our group.
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Iaptus is not online. Iaptus
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22 Feb 2014 03:47 PM
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Tasha5266 is not online. Tasha5266
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22 Feb 2014 03:50 PM
If VAK is group banned that would mean the VAK that joined NFC can't raid/defend. I'd suggest NFC should group ban TGI's allies.
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BlackHawk100 is not online. BlackHawk100
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22 Feb 2014 03:55 PM
"'Puppet state is a term of political criticism, used to denigrate a government which is perceived as unduly dependent upon an outside power. It implies that government's lack of legitimacy, in the view of those using the term.'"

Yes.

"Our government is absolutely in control of what it is doing."

Good attempt, however, as it is reliant on Vaktovian soldiers to fight for it, it is not, in fact, in control. If said government was able to fight the Vaktovians on its own, it would be in control.

"The Vaktovian members that have chosen to join NFC are here to fight under our government."

Discarding this statement, as I have already disproved it.

"We will not remove them considering they bring in benefits and are liked by our community."

> argues that they are not a puppet state
> relies on foreign troops

"In addition, it's silly to complain when only (five) Vaktovians have managed to earn the rank which enables them to partake in this war."

They can use alternate accounts, smarts. Besides the fact that a Vaktovian can easily earn their way up the ranks of a group of such a quality as NFC. You cannot tell me that there are only five Vaktovians fighting for you.

"When TGI floods our servers, or when it tags along with other groups such as RAT, FC, FEAR, and TRA frequently, we don't back down and address it without the use of any shady tactics."

You are currently using a shady tactic to protect your government's legitimacy.

"(On) the contrary, on numerous occasions, we've waited for TGI to respond, witnessed TGI members leaving to make servers not official, and rallying at other servers waiting for our numbers to lower to improve their chances."

Stop trying to change the subject. Besides the fact that you have zip in the way of proof for these claims, this is about you utilizing Vaktovian troops to save your group from being crushed utterly.

"NFC doesn't fight this way, and neither does it make any public outcries when it wins or loses. We are simply concerned with our group."

I would be concerned too, if I were reduced to a puppet state.
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maxthecrazy is not online. maxthecrazy
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22 Feb 2014 03:56 PM
Shut up tasha.
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Rquinox is not online. Rquinox
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22 Feb 2014 03:57 PM
@black

just stop
it is what it is

not just vak would join a group that is war with their enemy

idiot
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