Zegions
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| 16 Feb 2014 05:57 PM |
| It would better represent democracy. |
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| 16 Feb 2014 11:36 PM |
| No it wouldn't. It would hinder democracy. You can't force people what to do! |
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Riducule
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| 17 Feb 2014 05:40 AM |
I agree.
It's forcing lions to eat when they're hungry, or don't know what to eat, then the lions eat you.
The Fascist of RG |
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Riducule
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| 17 Feb 2014 07:26 AM |
It's an analogy you fool.
''To insult your government, your only lifeline in a dark world, is to insult your country'' |
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| 17 Feb 2014 09:18 AM |
| That would be okay, as long as it was easy to do and I could choose not to vote for anybody on the ballot paper. But in many countries, all parties are just the same you shouldn't have to feel like you're submitting to them. |
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2013Yay
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| 17 Feb 2014 09:42 AM |
You have to deicide in democracy and no vote is still a decision. It would be corrupt to force peoples to vote. |
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jplynn
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| 17 Feb 2014 10:55 AM |
| Forced to vote? I can't believe this! It is insanity on a major level! We have a choice to vote, and not to vote! What will this even achieve? |
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Zegions
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| 21 Feb 2014 04:25 PM |
| With the current arrangement of optional voting, I read that we had 47% of the United States' citizens voting in the last presidential election. Compulsory voting might seemingly sound like it goes against democratic values, but 47% of the population deciding our leaders, and 53% not, is hardly democratic. Also, if people really don't want to vote, they can turn in blank rosters without any candidate selected. So it's not really like "forcing" people to vote. And people still have the decision of WHO to vote for, but the selection of leaders is put into the hands of MORE of the majority, bolstering our democracy. |
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Scyblocks
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| 21 Feb 2014 04:42 PM |
What if there are no candidates you want to vote for?
Also telling people what to do is not a great idea. |
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Zegions
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| 21 Feb 2014 04:50 PM |
As I answered in my previous post, you can choose to submit a "blank vote." This would also solve the problem of people being apolitical or being remiss to vote for religious reasons.
Secondly, if telling people what to do is "not a great idea," then we wouldn't have the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and hundreds of state laws and mandates which largely guide people on what they should be doing. |
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Scyblocks
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| 21 Feb 2014 04:51 PM |
| I'm not gonna vote even if someone tells me I have to. |
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Zegions
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:07 PM |
Then you're going to have to pay a 40 dollar fine sir.
Or you can show up to the polling stations, and not vote for a candidate but turn in a "blank ballot" and you'll be all good. |
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Scyblocks
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:08 PM |
I'm not paying a bloody cent. If I choose to vote then I'll vote, but if there are
no candidates worth voting for, stay out of my life, government. |
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Zegions
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:10 PM |
And so why would we do this?
Because it would remedy the issue of 53% of the U.S. NOT voting, which is the antithesis of democracy because the power to choose the president is essentially in the hands of the few rather than in equal proportions. This lack of voting is due to apathy, but making voting compulsory would ensure that 90%+ or ideally 100% of the population is participating in the democratic process of voting. |
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:17 PM |
it wouldn't be enforced properly anyway people would get away with not voting or receive unjust punishments such as 20 years in jail for not voting in every single election including the poll at the local bake sale |
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:18 PM |
| oh yeah, and i think the fact that 53% of people didn't vote already represents democracy well enough, don't you? |
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:20 PM |
| It's worse enough that the politicians are terrible, but now you want dumb people to vote for dumber politicians. |
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Zegions
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:30 PM |
1. compulsory voting is enforced fine in australia. something like 90-97% of people vote (forget exact numbers)
2. i get what you're saying. i don't think 53% of ppl not voting represents democracy enough, because of what democracy is. it's the choice whether or not to vote, but only 47% of ppl voting (a seriously meager number) demonstrates apathy and lack of interest in our politics. because democracy is ruling by the majority of the people, by the people, for the people 47% of ppl deciding our leaders is not the majority's consensus and therefore not democratic.
3. @block isn't this a democracy? where you can have a say regardless of how dumb, weird, eccentric, or outlandish your beliefs are? no matter where u came from?
also, if voting was compulsory, more ppl would take the time to learn about the candidates |
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Zegions
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| 21 Feb 2014 05:53 PM |
1. nope it increases our democracy. we have the right to bear arms, but we have the responsibility to use them appropriately. we have the right to a democratic gov., and we have the responsibility of voting and choosing our leaders.
2. there will be exemptions for many ppl, but it'll still undoubtedly increase voting even w/ old/sick/handicapped/some religious ppl/etc. not voting
3. well turn in a "blank ballot" den
4. it is a lot of work, showing up at the polling stations. but it's work that bolsters our democratic government and ensures that the majority are choosing our leaders, so it's worth it |
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| 21 Feb 2014 06:06 PM |
| 53% of people not voting suggests that the candidates are not good enough. get better candidates or all you'll see is these "blank ballots" you keep talking about. |
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| 21 Feb 2014 06:07 PM |
| I pointed out that your politicians are terrible, and so is the public. It doesn't matter who gets elected, you end up with same terrible politicians. |
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