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Re: Why do people hate on Islam?
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:23 AM |
This is a question to everyone. Why do people hate on Islam? You call us terrorist, but don't know what your saying. Islam is made up for about 2 Billion people, so you call all these people terrorist? Women caring for there family Terrorist? Men working for there family terrorist? Kids working hard in school Terrorist? Now, to those Americans saying Muslims are terrorist, have you forgotten that you get your oil from Middle East, which is filled with Muslims? Have you forgotten that these terrorist are what helped you in the war against Russia? Have you forgotten that you striked Innocent families in Afghanistan? What about Adolf? Have you remembered that he slaughtered all those Jews? Killed Jews for no reason? How about all those innocents Americans killed? Atleast 72,000 people were killed in Nicaragua, more then all those killed during 9/11. What about the man who brang Bombs to a Mosque? Lets say the man was a Muslim, and brang it to a Church. It will be all over the media, but if it was an American, they wouldn't care. Now, I'll be honest people like Osama have done bad things, very bad, and need to be killed. But, why kill people who didn't do nothing?
Well, this is the end of this Forum. Please, comment about this. And stay on topic. |
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Midmyst
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:26 AM |
You're aware that the states in which Muslims are in power, they have something called sharia law, right? They're basically authoritarian theocracies that oppress women and non-Muslims.
And I'm not saying every Muslim is a terrorist or an extremist, but many are and they're in power. That's bad. Yes, most Muslims are moderate and no more dangerous than your average Christian, but unfortunately the extremist part is the face that Islam chooses to show to the world. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:30 AM |
Bull****, Mid, I'm sorry, but that's bull****.
'but unfortunately the extremist part is the face that Islam chooses to show to the world.'
It's just what America show's to the world, go look on an Islam channel, see all those charities and **** like that, Islam wants to show the world it's traditional values such as respect, maturity and such, but, after 9/11 the developed country started hating.
But, then I agree, there are lots of extremists around, and that only helps to influence the developed world's view on the religion. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:31 AM |
@mid
Our Quaran never told us to disobey women, but actually told us to respect them. It just said we can do more stuff, like be the Shiek and stuff like that. Theres only about 1000 people who are extremist or terrorist I believe, so only like a dot of terrorist. And most people in Islam are Sunni, Sharia to me is a very bad way to express Islam. And, just to those people, these "Muslim Terrorist" terrorize us Muslims to. Egypt and Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban, Al-Quada, so yeah. |
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Midmyst
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:36 AM |
Whether or not the Koran tells you do something doesn't mean that all Muslims will automatically do it. Kinda like how the Bible says to stone LGBT people, but nobody actually follows that. The fact is that Muslim countries are known for their abuse of women. Women are required by law to wear certain Islamic dresses covering most of their bodies such as the chador.
They face significant discrimination in employment:
" Women make up only about 15% of the working population, a percentage that is the lowest in the Middle East, which, regionally, is the lowest in the world. A husband may prevent his wife from working outside the home, and women who do work are often underemployed. Women are overrepresented in jobs such as taxi driving and vastly underrepresented in higher skilled jobs.
Women cannot hold public office above the municipal level and traditionally earn less than their male counterparts in similar jobs. The United Nations has created a special index to evaluate the extent to which women in different countries are able to “take an active part in economic and political life.” Based on their representation in legislative bodies, senior-level management positions, and professional sector jobs, Iranian women score 103 out of 108 countries ranked on the UN Gender Empowerment Measure (GEM)."
And family life is very strict:
" Not only can women be compelled into marriage at age 13, but they also have few rights in the areas of divorce, custody, and inheritance. Domestic violence generally goes unpunished. A woman’s testimony in court is technically worth just half of a man’s, and a woman may still be stoned for adultery.
Women cannot obtain a passport without the permission of a husband or male relative. Overall, women in Iran rank 92 out of 157 on the United Nations Gender Disparity Index. Famed Iranian dissident Akbar Ganji has characterized Iran’s treatment of women as “gender apartheid.”"
It is not the business of a government to regulate religion and/or morality. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:39 AM |
| Islam was actually meant for peace, not war. But some guy took the Islam religion and screwed it up. Now every Islam Stereotype is a bearded dude with bombs. |
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Midmyst
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:45 AM |
Ah, yes, it's the religion of peace!
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" |
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:48 AM |
So, let me answer these:
"Women are required by law to wear certain Islamic dresses covering most of their bodies such as the chador."
That's not abuse, were helping women. When they pray, and a man is there, they don't want a man touching her. And in the streets, they don't want men to do stuff with women.
"A husband may prevent his wife from working outside the home, and women who do work are often underemployed."
Then those men are Idiots. Most times those men are Sharia. And people do let there wives work, mostly actually. And if they don't, its because theres to much fighting in the streets and such. Like when I went to Egypt, at my mother's dentist I saw more Women than men, and at areas they work there. The Media is wrong, but the people don't see it there self.
"Not only can women be compelled into marriage at age 13, but they also have few rights in the areas of divorce, custody, and inheritance."
They can't be married till 18 or 21, I'm not sure. Those people who get married with them are ****ist. They have the same rights, and men just have a little rights over women.
"Women cannot obtain a passport without the permission of a husband or male relative."
Yes, they can. But honestly, if I was going to a different country, I wouldn't tell my wife? Women just tell there husbands, just like if men tell there wives, they can say yes or no. If they say no, you got to persuade. My mom just told my father if its a good idea to go to Egypt, and he said its a good idea and to visit family members.
The Media honestly is giving you corrupt details. The Quaran has been scammed by Muslim Brotherhood, because the people using the Media never read the real one Sayidna Mohamed gave us. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:52 AM |
| And, to get this straight, Al-Fitna is snitching. We don't believe in killing people, you read the Quaran by the Muslim Brotherhood. And, if you think they are right, they said you can drink during Ramadan, explains how stupid they are. Now, we are ordered to believe in Allah because we believe he is the one who made us, human beings, and we must worship him by praying to Allah, and Allah is great. He has more power over us. That's what we believe. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:53 AM |
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Everyone know's their place. |
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Midmyst
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| 02 Feb 2014 10:57 AM |
First of all, telling a woman that she has to wear a certain dress or she can be stoned or otherwise persecuted is not "helping" them. Ever think that perhaps they would like to wear something a bit more casual? But second, I want to direct you to a little biography representing the average woman in Islamic countries:
"My Life as Muslim Women
I Am a Moslem Woman
Dr. Sauad M. Al-Sabah
I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity. At age 9, based on lunar year (a lunar year is twelve months of 28 days each or 336 days) or, when I am actually 8 years and 8 months old, I am considered an adult. Being an adult means that I have to adhere with Islamic laws as stated below.
I have to pray five times a day, fast one month out of the year and cover myself from head to toe in yards of black fabric. I am eligible to be married and can be punished for any wrong doing. I can be incarcerated and, if needed, executed for my crimes, even political ones.
Islam's law - that Allah sent down to his messenger Muhammad - came to announce that women (exactly like men) are full human beings. Women (like men) are therefore required to follow the way appointed by Allah.
"A woman (like a man) is therefore obligated with all three degrees of this religion: Islam (outward submission to Allah), iman (inward faith in Allah), and ihsan (perfection of worship of Allah)".
"Women have such honorable rights as obligations, but men have a (single) degree above them". The Koran 2:228
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women because Allah has preferred men over women and women were expended of their Rights". The Koran 4:34
Islam believes and promotes only one relationship between male and female and that is the relation of l00st.
"If a man and a woman are alone in one place, the third person present is the devil". Prophet Mohammed
I am not allowed to swim, ski, ride a bike, dance, learn to play musical instruments, practice gymnastics, or any other sport. I am not even permitted to watch men play sports, either in the stadium and/or on television.
I am not permitted to participate in Olympic games.
From age 7, I am segregated from all males in and out of my extended family.
My father, grandfather, uncles, brothers or my male cousins are not allowed to be present at any ceremonies for my accomplishments. They will not be allowed to participate in my birthday parties.
I have to study under female teachers and professors. However, since women of prior generations were not allowed to go to school, there are not that many qualified women teachers and professors. Male professors must teach me from behind a wall.
I am to be treated by female doctors. Go to female dentists. And if there are none, then I have to go without or I must be examined through some sort of divider.
I am not allowed to practice birth control or have aborshuns, even if carrying or having a child means I have to die.
My worth is based on the Islamic Laws of Retribution, 24th edition, December 1982, as half of a man. It doesn't matter who I am, how educated I am, and what earning potential I may have in my life. My worth is half of a man, any man.
According to clauses 33 and 91 of the law in respect, Qasas (The Islamic Retribution Bill) and its boundaries, the value of woman is considered only half as much as the value of a man.
Article 1: dieh or blood money paid to the victim or next of kin for as compensation for bodily injury or murder of a relative.
The Islamic Law of Retribution
In the old Islamic laws, recently placed into practice by the Islamic Republic of Iran, the worth of a man's life is equal to the market value of 100 camels or 200 cows and that of a woman is equal to half of the man's, 50 camels or 100 cows.
The clause number 6 regarding the dieh (cash value of the fine) states that the cash fine for murdering a woman intentionally or unintentionally is half as much as for a man. The same clause adds that if a man intentionally murders a woman and the guardian of the woman himself is not able to pay half of the Dieh (the value of 50 camels or 100 cows, the difference between the value of a man to that of a woman's life) to the murderer, the murderer will be exempted from retribution.
New Legal Standing: Pursuant to article 85 of the constitution, the Islamic penal code was implemented in December 1981. According to article 300, blood money or dieh, a sum paid to the next of kin as compensation for the murder of a relative, is twice as much in the case of a murdered man as in the case of a woman. The number of witnesses required to prove a crime is higher if the witnesses are female. For example, article 237 of the penal code states that first degree murder must be proven by testimony of two just men and evidence for second-degree murder or manslaughter requires the testimony of two just men, or one just man and two just women, or of one just man and the accuser.
My testimony in a court of law is equal to half of that of a man. In most countries I don't vote and I don't get elected to office. And if I do, it does not mean much. I inherit only half as much as my male siblings.
I cannot get custody of my children. Even if their father dies. In the case of divorce or death I have to surrender my children to their father and/or his family.
I cannot travel, work, go to college, join organizations, even visit my friends and relatives without my father or husband's permission.
I must live where my husband desires.
I am banned from studies such as engineering, agriculture, archaeology, restoration of the historic monuments and handicrafts, and many other fields. I am not allowed to become a judge.
Under the terms of Koranic law, any judge fulfilling the seven requirements (that he have reached puberty, be a believer, know the Koranic laws perfectly, be just, and not be affected by amnesia, or be a bastard, or be female) is qualified to dispense justice in any type of case.
I have no right to choose the clothing I wear in public. This is done by the Office of the Islamic Guidance which sets the color, the style, and the accessories for women and girls as young as 6 years of age.
I will get arrested, beaten, and sometimes even executed if I wear make-up, nylons, bright colors and specifically the color of red.
I cannot choose my mate and am not permitted to divorce him if things did not work out.
According to Khomeini, the Iranian Islamic Imam, "The most suitable time for a girl to get married is the time when the girl can have her first manstrool period in her husband's house rather than her father's".
I have to meet all my husband's desires including the saxxual ones. And if I refuse he has the right to deny me food, shelter, and all of life's necessities. I have to say yes every time he wants to have saxx.
According to Hojatoleslam Imani, Religious Leader in Iran. "A woman should endure any violence or torture imposed on her by her husband for she is fully at his disposal. Without his permission she may not leave her house even for a good action (such as charitable work). Otherwise her prayers and devotions will not be accepted by God and curses of heaven and earth will fall upon her".
My husband can divorce me without my knowledge and by the Islamic law he is required to support me for only 100 days. And if he dies, I am entitled to 1/8 of his Estate.
I can only ask for divorce if my husband is imp*tent, if he does not have saxx with me at least one night in every forty nights, and if he refuses to provide me with a minimum standard of living.
My husband can have four permanent wives and if he is from Shi'i sect, he can have as many temporary wives as he wants.
In some countries they even mutilate, cut and sew my female parts in order to control and regulate my desire.
According to the Islamic Laws, I am supposed to be seen outside of my home three times in my life. When I am born, when I get married and when I die.
I have no explanation on why God denied me everything and made men in charge of me, if there is a God. I don't believe there ever was one.
In Islam, the age of majority for a girl is 9 years and for a boy is 15 years. This means that a 9 year old girl and a 15 year old boy are considered to have the same level of maturity. Now, if girls reach maturity six years earlier than boys, then why did God place men in charge of women? Was there something wrong with God's Judgment?
In some Islamic countries such as Iran, if I am arrested for wearing make-up, the guards will force me to clean my face with cotton balls rubbed in pieces of glass. This cuts my face. The barbaric revolutionary guard, while watching the blood run out of my flesh, will tell me, "next time you think about this and will not wear it".
In Islam, if a 6 or 7 year old girl is candywrapped by an adult man, she will be the one that gets punished. It is her fault because she provoked it. The parents then will burn or kill her because she has dishonored the family.
It has been said that the Moslem Prophet got very upset one day noticing his wives flirting with men who visited him and ordered women to stay behind a dividing curtain when speaking with men. The idea of hijab, the covering up of women, became a law in Islamic countries from that day.
In 1991, the Prosecutor-General of Iran, declared that "anyone who rejects the principle of hijab is an apostate and the punishment for an apostate under Islamic law is death."
Polygamy is legal in Islam. A man may marry "four Permanent" and as many "Provisional" or temporary wives as he desires.
"Marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial". The Koran 4:3 "Most Europeans have mistresses. Why should we suppress human instincts? A rooster satisfies several hens, an stallion several mares. A woman is unavailable during certain periods where as a man is always active....", Ayatollah Ghomi, LE MONDE, January 20, 1979." |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:02 AM |
*Cough* Media lies *Cough*
I want you to go to a Muslim country, and just live there. See how wrong your media is. I lived in one for 2 Monthes. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:04 AM |
>women care for their children if they dont theyll be stoned to death
>kids work hard at school you mean boys
>we respect women thats why they cant drive, cant recieve an education, or recieve medical attention from a male doctor (note that women cant recieve educations so there are next to no female doctors. many women die at an early age.
>sheik is good for women yes thats why they will get stoned if they dont wear one right?
>marriage at 18 or 21 in yemen girls can get married at any age and many are sold into marriage at ages as young as 8, many also die from internal bleeding |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:08 AM |
>What about Adolf? Have you remembered that he slaughtered all those Jews? Killed Jews for no reason? agreed he is a horrible person and so are muslims for trying to finish off his deeds |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:11 AM |
| Are you trying to troll? Mid gives a good argument, but I'm not even sure if I should argue you with you. Less then 1/5 of the Islamic population are extremists, yet you decide to eat the cr@p the media gives you. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:11 AM |
Я думал, что принципы сообщества заявил, что мы не говорим о религиозные вещи.
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:13 AM |
| Я тоже так думал, пока я не приехал в РГ. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:17 AM |
| Now, to all those people calling Muslims terrorist, Imagine people calling you terrorist, pigs, slobs, huh? |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:19 AM |
| Um, wow, I don't know, maybe because people see you as terrorists? |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:22 AM |
| I can say I see Americans as Terrorist for killing atleast 72,000 innocents. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:32 AM |
Okay but I don't care as I'm not an American and I don't like them too much either.
Just face it, there's gonna be some real nasty people. Their reason to hate your religion is because they view its followers as terrorists. If you're taking these people seriously, you're foolishly wasting your time with those idiots. Deal with it. |
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| 02 Feb 2014 11:32 AM |
| Israel is the real terrorist and all of its colonies (Europe and America) |
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| 18 Jun 2014 07:36 AM |
Hi i'm from Iran, Esfahan and am kinda mad that THEY HATE ISLAM!!! IRAN! IRAN HAMEESEH PEROOZ MESHAVAD! |
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