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Re: What would happen if the Confederacy won the civil war

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NintyBoy is not online. NintyBoy
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29 Jan 2014 04:51 PM
What would have happened if the Confederacy won the American Civil War?

Would there be two seperate countries, the United States and the Confederate States?

Would the Confederacy have conquered the USA and make them become part of the Confederate States?
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DesiredShark is not online. DesiredShark
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29 Jan 2014 04:52 PM
Yes

Yes

And yes.
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Niiqiarqusu is not online. Niiqiarqusu
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29 Jan 2014 04:52 PM
"Would the Confederacy have conquered the USA and make them become part of the Confederate States?"
Probably not unless the USA attacked them more some states in the Union might have seceded though
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evilkiller108 is not online. evilkiller108
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29 Jan 2014 07:31 PM
The Confederacy barely tried to conquer the Union, most of the fighting occured on Confederate land.
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0Z0NE is not online. 0Z0NE
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30 Jan 2014 12:39 AM
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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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30 Jan 2014 12:06 PM
Here's what a lot of people don't understand: The CSA never wished for a war. They wanted to separate peacefully. The Union declared war. The CSA was hoping that the Union would eventually back away and let them both be separate, peaceful countries.

Why did the south secede? Because the north was becoming a total dictatorship. Lincoln was imprisoning political opponents without right to free trial or congress's approval. They wanted to get away from the imperialistic north.

Oh yea, that Emancipation Proclamation? Guess what, it only freed southern slaves! What a surprise!

/rant hopefully over
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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30 Jan 2014 12:16 PM
"Because the north was becoming a total dictatorship."


rofl
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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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30 Jan 2014 12:20 PM
"rofl"

Learn your history before laughing.
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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30 Jan 2014 12:27 PM
" They wanted to separate peacefully"

That explains why they fired on For Sumter, right?
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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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30 Jan 2014 12:28 PM
They fired on Fort Sumter because Lincoln sent supplies in, which they told him not to, which he was warned not to by his own military generals. Lincoln wanted war; the south didn't.
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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30 Jan 2014 12:34 PM
An ultimatum against resuppliying a malnourished and understocked garrison doesnt sound very peaceful.
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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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30 Jan 2014 12:35 PM
Read this

http://www.donaldmiller.com/Civil%20War.html
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ManBloxian is not online. ManBloxian
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30 Jan 2014 03:27 PM
"Why did the south secede? Because the north was becoming a total dictatorship. Lincoln was imprisoning political opponents without right to free trial or congress's approval. They wanted to get away from the imperialistic north."

Abraham Lincoln never did that. The south seceded because they wanted to continue their inhumane practice of slavery
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30 Jan 2014 03:31 PM
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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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30 Jan 2014 08:31 PM
"Abraham Lincoln never did that. The south seceded because they wanted to continue their inhumane practice of slavery "

I provided a source for my claim; you didn't.

"Suspension of Habeas Corpus (the dictatorial action of Lincoln) happened during the war, and only happened in the border states. Only vehement pro-CSA/anti-union advocates were ever imprisoned, and all were released after the war, which the south started. "

Read source please
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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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30 Jan 2014 08:36 PM
Direct quote from my source:

"Congress was adjourned at the time and for the next three months, ignoring his constitutional duty to call this legislative branch of government back in session during a time of emergency, Lincoln assumed dictatorial powers and did things, like raise an army, that only Congress is supposed to do. He shut down newspapers that disagreed with his war policy, more than 300 of them. He ordered his military officers to lock up political opponents, thousands of them. Although the exact number is not known, Lincoln may well have arrested and imprisoned more than 20,000 political opponents, southern sympathizers, and people suspected of being disloyal to the Union, creating what one researcher has termed a 19th century "American gulag," a forerunner of the 20th century’s political prison and labor camps in the former Soviet Union. Lincoln denied these nonviolent dissenters their right of free speech and suspended the privilege of Habeas Corpus, something only Congress in a time of war has the power to do. Lincoln’s soldiers arrested civilians, often arbitrarily, without any charges being filed; and, if held at all, military commissions conducted trials. He permitted Union troops to arrest the Mayor of Baltimore (then the third largest city in the Union), its Chief of Police and a Maryland congressman, along with 31 state legislators. When Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger Taney wrote an opinion that said these actions were unlawful and violated the Constitution, Lincoln ignored the ruling. "
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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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30 Jan 2014 08:40 PM
Also, for those who think that the American Civil War was about slavery, here's another direct quote from my source:

"Lincoln called up an army of 75,000 men to invade the seven southern states that had seceded and force them back into the Union. By unilaterally recruiting troops to invade these states, without first calling Congress into session to consider the matter and give its consent, Lincoln made an error in judgment that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans. At the time, only seven states had seceded. But when Lincoln announced his intention to bring these states back into the Union by force, four additional states – Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas – seceded and joined the Confederacy. Slavery was not the issue. The issue was the very nature of the American union. If the President of the United States intended to hold the Union together by force, they wanted out. When these four states seceded and joined the Confederacy rather than send troops to support Lincoln’s unconstitutional actions, the Confederacy became much more viable and the war much more horrible."
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ManBloxian is not online. ManBloxian
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30 Jan 2014 10:14 PM
I don't need to provide a source for my claim. It is generally known the Confederates wanted to keep slavery
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Niiqiarqusu is not online. Niiqiarqusu
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30 Jan 2014 10:15 PM
Oh boohoo so did everyone else
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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30 Jan 2014 10:17 PM
The Confederates deserved the right to stay as a country.
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xXsoenXx is not online. xXsoenXx
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30 Jan 2014 10:33 PM
there would be no good nba players
damn
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Niiqiarqusu is not online. Niiqiarqusu
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30 Jan 2014 10:36 PM
who even watches nba though?
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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30 Jan 2014 10:40 PM
Kim Jong Un.
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ManBloxian is not online. ManBloxian
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30 Jan 2014 10:42 PM
Everyone else already abolished slavery and was trying to stop the slave trade
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Niiqiarqusu is not online. Niiqiarqusu
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30 Jan 2014 10:42 PM
america should take all the freed slaves descendants and move them to north korea
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