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Re: United States Politics

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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 03:50 PM
What are your opinions on the huge political division between the Democratic and Republican parties, which are threatening the functionality of the USA?

Obama's struggling to get anything done since the Republicans won the Senate seats in the election, and they refuse to reach any form of bipartisan agreement.

The United States is going downhill. >.>
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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29 Jan 2014 03:52 PM
Typical Yankee thinking he knows something about politics. The Senate can't do anything.
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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29 Jan 2014 03:53 PM
> Obama's struggling to get anything done

He's getting tons of things done. It's just that the things he's getting done are terrible and will probably ruin us as a country.
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NintyBoy is not online. NintyBoy
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29 Jan 2014 03:55 PM
Look at America's politics

Look at Zimbabwe's politics

Look at Afghanistan's politics

Look at America's politics again
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 03:55 PM
Metal, I'm wondering if you know anything about politics. All the branches of government (Executive, Congress, and Judicial) have checks which keep each other from getting too much power. Because of that, what the President does is monitored by Congress - meaning the House of Representatives and the Senate. They can impeach him for being "unconstitutional", or simply have two-thirds of their members veto the President's demands.

Don't barge into a debate with an insult when you don't even know what you're talking about.
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 03:58 PM
@Mid: People don't really think that there's a lot which Obama did that was good, but I personally believe that his appointment as President is at least more beneficial to us rather than harmful.

ObamaCare is giving millions of US citizens across the country a reliable and discounted health insurance. Though it may be a bit unconstitutional, it's giving people the aid that they need.

Also don't forget that he sent soldiers to go kill that idiot who attacked the US on September 11th.

I'm not trying to start an argument on this forum, I'm trying to make a discussion. :/
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XC6Alt34 is not online. XC6Alt34
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29 Jan 2014 03:58 PM
"He's getting tons of things done."

That's pretty funny. Could you give me some examples?
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 03:59 PM
Also, guys, I'm looking for intelligent answers with actual information to back up what you're talking about. That is an educated conversation. Making blatant lies or opinions with no evidence to back it up isn't gonna make this thread go anywhere.
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 03:59 PM
Also, Metal, I'm a girl. Even more backup evidence for my statement above. -_-
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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29 Jan 2014 04:00 PM
"Metal, I'm wondering if you know anything about politics. All the branches of government (Executive, Congress, and Judicial) have checks which keep each other from getting too much power. Because of that, what the President does is monitored by Congress - meaning the House of Representatives and the Senate. They can impeach him for being "unconstitutional", or simply have two-thirds of their members veto the President's demands."

Nice job reciting what you learned in 6th grade history class. Listen, the Senate can't just suddenly impeach someone for no reason. First of all, there needs to be substantial evidence that Obama has breached the Constitution. Besides, the Senate does not have that many republican seats.
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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29 Jan 2014 04:04 PM
So far I understand that over 4.2 million lost their health insurance due to Obamacare. In 2009, 84% had health insurance, but only 83.8% do now in 2014. I understand it's a small difference, but it means that people are not actually gaining health insurance more than they are losing it like some on the left like to say. Health care would be far better in the hands of private companies operating according to market values.
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 04:06 PM
@Metal: They don't have to impeach him. They could simply veto what he wants. They seem more concerned about winning the next election or getting angry over the results in the previous election rather than working with the President.

My point is that the divide between the two parties is getting too big. The idea of having a bicameral party system ruling the government was brilliant at first, but is quite honestly not working. >_>
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 04:08 PM
ObamaCare is probably not the best idea to make everyone get healthcare insurance, but I think that the main concern of this conversation as well as the government's position itself is more on the cooperation of the two parties.

Do you think that forcing people to buy health care is perhaps unconstitutional? e.e
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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29 Jan 2014 04:10 PM
"They don't have to impeach him. They could simply veto what he wants. They seem more concerned about winning the next election or getting angry over the results in the previous election rather than working with the President."

They don't veto the president's decisions. The president vetoes their decisions. The congress can cancel the veto with a majority vote. Remember that the House of Representatives is in on this as well. The senate does not overpower the house.
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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29 Jan 2014 04:15 PM
>Do you think that forcing people to buy health care is perhaps unconstitutional? e.e

Perhaps not unconstitutional, but it goes against the principles of laissez faire capitalism for sure.
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 04:17 PM
There's still the fact that Republican opposition to the Executive branch is a large factor in political division. It's not like the President can just do whatever he wants, he just made a huge speech on the front page of the New York Times asking for the Senate to work with him to make 2014 "a year of production".

Even he knows that he can't just be a dictator and run the government without Congress's help.
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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29 Jan 2014 04:18 PM
Opposition is good for politics. It symbolises that we all have freedom of speech, and allowed to disagree with others.
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weapon343 is not online. weapon343
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29 Jan 2014 04:21 PM
[USA]

This is the USA Press Employee Weapon343,

I am speaking on behalf on roblox's USA.

We agree.

#thanksobama
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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29 Jan 2014 04:22 PM
Actually, in the speech (correct me if I'm taking him out of context or something) Obama said he would use executive orders to help achieve his agenda.

One example: "In the coming weeks, I will issue an Executive Order requiring federal contractors to pay their federally-funded employees a fair wage of at least $10.10 an hour – because if you cook our troops’ meals or wash their dishes, you shouldn’t have to live in poverty. "

"Some require Congressional action, and I’m eager to work with all of you. But America does not stand still – and neither will I. So wherever and whenever I can take steps without legislation to expand opportunity for more American families, that’s what I’m going to do."

"We’ll need Congress to protect more than three million jobs by finishing transportation and waterways bills this summer. But I will act on my own to slash bureaucracy and streamline the permitting process for key projects, so we can get more construction workers on the job as fast as possible. "

"and I intend to keep trying, with or without Congress, to help stop more tragedies from visiting innocent Americans in our movie theaters, shopping malls, or schools like Sandy Hook. "

Translation? "Eh, Congress is okay. If they want to obey me, they can. If they don't, screw them; I'll do it by myself." So Obama seems to be just fine with circumventing Congress in order to act, in your words, "as a dictator."
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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29 Jan 2014 04:23 PM
@weapon
I never knew clan Yankees used this forum.
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 04:24 PM
Not when the government itself is in a civil war with each other and can't cooperate enough to work together to the simplest degrees.

I understand that the freedom of speech is a big part of the USA. I'm not trying to pretend that it's not allowed. I'm saying that the two parties are getting so separated and uncooperative with each other that they've come to a shuddering halt and are the subject of so many media reports across the nation.

Do you really think that the current state of government, where Obama's practically wrestling with Republican Senators, is how the United States government should be run? Do you really think that publicly demonstrating the freedom of speech and political separation is more important than letting the government function properly?

-_-
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TheWaffleTruck is not online. TheWaffleTruck
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29 Jan 2014 04:26 PM
@Mid: Well he's only human. I guess he's snapping. He is using Executive Order to try to get done what he needs to get done, just behind this huge fancy and good looking coverplate.

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DesiredShark is not online. DesiredShark
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29 Jan 2014 04:28 PM
The only solution for America is to abolish the President seat and make President pro tempore the highest seat.
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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29 Jan 2014 04:28 PM
Don't you think that a good President would consult with Congress on these things and try to reach an agreement or a compromise with Congress instead of just saying, "Oh well, you don't agree so I'll do it my own way and you can't do nothing about it!"

There once was this thing called separation of powers and checks and balances within the US government. I was kinda hoping it would live longer than this, yes?
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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29 Jan 2014 04:29 PM
"Not when the government itself is in a civil war with each other and can't cooperate enough to work together to the simplest degrees.

I understand that the freedom of speech is a big part of the USA. I'm not trying to pretend that it's not allowed. I'm saying that the two parties are getting so separated and uncooperative with each other that they've come to a shuddering halt and are the subject of so many media reports across the nation.

Do you really think that the current state of government, where Obama's practically wrestling with Republican Senators, is how the United States government should be run? Do you really think that publicly demonstrating the freedom of speech and political separation is more important than letting the government function properly?

-_-"

Do you think we should give up our fundamental rights? Do you think we should just suddenly forget what this country was founded on? Do you think we should allow one big party instead of people representing what they truly believe in? Besides, these types of situations where the government can't agree with each other are always fixed with either compromises or other things. What about the 3/5ths compromise? The Missouri Compromise? These issues were extremely important back then. But they were solved.
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