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Re: All Unions Are terrible

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SpiffyAlt is not online. SpiffyAlt
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27 Jan 2014 05:37 PM
Title.
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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27 Jan 2014 05:41 PM
Pretty much. Especially teachers' unions.
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SpiffyAlt is not online. SpiffyAlt
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27 Jan 2014 05:43 PM
"Pretty much. Especially teachers' unions."

>teachers' unions

Don't you mean mechanics?
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StormAtlas is not online. StormAtlas
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27 Jan 2014 05:43 PM
Union are a way of expressing workers' opinion on various issues. How is it terrible? Do you not want workers to have a voice?
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SpiffyAlt is not online. SpiffyAlt
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27 Jan 2014 05:44 PM
Less work means less progress.
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StormAtlas is not online. StormAtlas
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27 Jan 2014 05:45 PM
"Less work means less progress."

So you're expecting them to work and have no say in the matter?
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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27 Jan 2014 05:46 PM
If the workers don't like it, they can quit.
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SpiffyAlt is not online. SpiffyAlt
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27 Jan 2014 05:46 PM
The more they work, the more they should be paid.

They can have say in matter.

My dad hates the union, and works two jobs, and works for a long time.
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tomato12 is not online. tomato12
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27 Jan 2014 05:47 PM
They voluntarily agree to a contract to work for someone. They shouldn't complain, they voluntarily agreed to it.
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SpiffyAlt is not online. SpiffyAlt
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27 Jan 2014 05:49 PM
@tomato12

Exactly. Don't like how much you work? Don't work then.
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StormAtlas is not online. StormAtlas
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27 Jan 2014 05:51 PM
"They voluntarily agree to a contract to work for someone. They shouldn't complain, they voluntarily agreed to it."

Well, that's your opinion. I think that supressing the opinion of workers' will inevitably lead to strikes.
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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27 Jan 2014 05:51 PM
And strikes will be banned. Problem solved.
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SpiffyAlt is not online. SpiffyAlt
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27 Jan 2014 05:52 PM
"I think that supressing the opinion of workers' will inevitably lead to strikes."

Again, they volunteered, the most likely reason to strike is for pay cuts.
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StormAtlas is not online. StormAtlas
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27 Jan 2014 05:53 PM
"And strikes will be banned. Problem solved."

So we're going to invade their freedom for the sake of business?
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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27 Jan 2014 05:53 PM
Sorry, I was being a bit over the top. Strikes themselves wouldn't be banned, but employers would be allowed to fire anyone who tried to strike, and the employers would be able to replace any strikers permanently.
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tomato12 is not online. tomato12
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27 Jan 2014 05:54 PM
And strikes will be banned. Problem solved.
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Not so fast... Remember that striking is a form of expression that the government cannot infringe on.

That doesn't mean a company cannot fire people for striking.
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rat57 is not online. rat57
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27 Jan 2014 05:55 PM
"They voluntarily agree to a contract to work for someone. They shouldn't complain, they voluntarily agreed to it."

That doesn't mean they shouldn't have a say.
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Midmyst is not online. Midmyst
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27 Jan 2014 05:56 PM
@tomato

Read the post I made after that. I said I was being a bit over the top and I clarified what I really meant.
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Pakesboy is not online. Pakesboy
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27 Jan 2014 05:56 PM
agree with rat, workers who hold up the business should have a say
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tomato12 is not online. tomato12
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27 Jan 2014 05:57 PM
That doesn't mean they shouldn't have a say.
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They voluntarily agree to not have a say.
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rat57 is not online. rat57
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27 Jan 2014 06:00 PM
"They voluntarily agree to not have a say."

Seems oppressive. After all, without these employees, the company wouldn't exist.
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Niiqiarqusu is not online. Niiqiarqusu
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27 Jan 2014 06:03 PM
"Seems oppressive. After all, without these employees, the company wouldn't exist."
Regardless they agreed to it
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tomato12 is not online. tomato12
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27 Jan 2014 06:53 PM
Seems oppressive. After all, without these employees, the company wouldn't exist.
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Oppression: prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.

If they agree to these working conditions, that is the justification.
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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27 Jan 2014 08:03 PM
I'm beginning to like you, Spiffy.
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StormAtlas is not online. StormAtlas
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27 Jan 2014 08:04 PM
I'd like to put an emphasis on the "OR" in the definition of oppression.
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