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Re: Why is Israel protected/supported by the West?

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Zkiller11 is not online. Zkiller11
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26 Jan 2014 02:53 PM
Not that I'm not stating whether or not I'm for or against this, I'm just curious what you all think the reasoning is behind this.

I have a few reasons myself (why the West protects Israel):

Prevent terrorism
Protect the oppressed
Political ally
Military ally
Strategic Military staging point
Strategic resources (oil, etc.)
Strategic positioning
The West helped set up the state, they feel obligated to protect it

What are your thoughts on this?
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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26 Jan 2014 02:57 PM
Israel acts as the main forward operating base for the West's motives in the Middle East.
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Niiqiarqusu is not online. Niiqiarqusu
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26 Jan 2014 03:01 PM
"Prevent terrorism"
A lot of terrorism against the West is because they (the terrorist) believe the Western nations are supporters and helpers of the Zionists, which is correct

"Protect the oppressed
They are doing a good job protecting"
Palestinians are getting oppressed and Israel deports all their African refugees

"Political ally"
Not when their citizens abroad are working against the interests of their host nations

"Military ally"
How much has Israel helped in the wars they brought West into there?

"Strategic Military staging point"
Not that much of a reason but I'll give you that

"Strategic resources (oil, etc.)"
Are they sharing them with the Western nations? If so how much? Is it helping Western nations?

"Strategic positioning"
??

"The West helped set up the state, they feel obligated to protect it"
They pretty much forced them to do so with all the terrorism and assassinations..

And I think the most reason why is because of how much powers Israeli lobbies hold in the US Congress, medias, supreme courts and governments
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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26 Jan 2014 03:05 PM
@niiqi
Typical libertarian. Both sides of the conflict experience terrorism. There's nothing wrong with supporting Israel.
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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26 Jan 2014 03:07 PM
Besides, deporting African refugees is a good idea. Why would you want filthy immigrants from some far a away country to leach off of your citizens' hard earned money? They don't deserve it. Damn socialists just want to steal our money. Nigerian princes shall be deported.
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26 Jan 2014 03:11 PM
"Typical libertarian."
I am not a Ron Paul?

"Both sides of the conflict experience terrorism."
That may be true but why is it that it is happening? Did Israel do nothing to deserve it? Or is it because of their actions against Palestinians and neighboring countries?

"There's nothing wrong with supporting Israel."
When the Israel attacks their supposed allies I think there is something wrong (see USS Liberty)

The Osama Bin Laden stated himself the motives of his attacks were because of US military support of Israel sanctions imposed on Iraq on the orders of AIPAC the Israeli attacks on Lebanon and presence of US troop in Saudi Arabia
3 of 4 of these stated motives can be because of the Israeli
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MetaLuigi34 is not online. MetaLuigi34
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26 Jan 2014 03:12 PM
"That may be true but why is it that it is happening? Did Israel do nothing to deserve it? Or is it because of their actions against Palestinians and neighboring countries?"

The Arabs attacked Israel first, just so you know.
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26 Jan 2014 03:13 PM
"Besides, deporting African refugees is a good idea. Why would you want filthy immigrants from some far a away country to leach off of your citizens' hard earned money? They don't deserve it. Damn socialists just want to steal our money. Nigerian princes shall be deported."
You are helping me with my points Israeli citizens abroad are trying to put these African immigrant and refugees into America and Europe which would harm the countries as you say
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26 Jan 2014 03:13 PM
"I am not a Ron Paul?"

Ha ha, very funny.
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26 Jan 2014 03:14 PM
"You are helping me with my points Israeli citizens abroad are trying to put these African immigrant and refugees into America and Europe which would harm the countries as you say"

Wrong. They aren't sending them to the West. They are sending them back where they came from. There is a large border patrol in Israel, due to terrorism. They won't waste money on using ships to send them back.
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26 Jan 2014 09:22 PM
What is Western Nations getting in return for their support of Israel?
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