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Re: What is the point of god punishing people through death

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starwarsbrony43 is not online. starwarsbrony43
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26 Jan 2014 12:39 PM
If he's all powerful then he could just magically make them repent
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ThAfro is not online. ThAfro
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26 Jan 2014 12:39 PM
*Free Will
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starwarsbrony43 is not online. starwarsbrony43
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26 Jan 2014 12:40 PM
"Free Will"
Making everyone good would salvage free will more than letting people do what they want
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icrazy789 is not online. icrazy789
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26 Jan 2014 12:40 PM
@ starwarsbrony43, people have free will. God does not force you to do anything.
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sammiee2002 is not online. sammiee2002
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26 Jan 2014 12:40 PM
also wouldnt the devil be at least some good for punishing the bad
and i think the vbad should die normally instead of suffering (bc two wrongs dont make a right) while the good are sent to heaven
that would be fair
yeh

Shadow97 is the most swaggy oter ever and every oter is jelus bcuz shadow97 has money
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ThAfro is not online. ThAfro
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26 Jan 2014 12:41 PM
Hes not making anybody anything.Whether people want to follow him or not is up to them.
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metalsonic7017 is not online. metalsonic7017
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26 Jan 2014 12:42 PM
because edgy fairy tale book

thats why
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starwarsbrony43 is not online. starwarsbrony43
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26 Jan 2014 12:42 PM
"I'm gonna give you the choice not to follow me but then I'll punish you for not following me"
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ThAfro is not online. ThAfro
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26 Jan 2014 12:44 PM
"I'm gonna give you the choice not to follow me but then I'll punish you for not following me"
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Is he physically making them follow him however?
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26 Jan 2014 12:44 PM
Only if they sin.

~OT's voice of truth and opinion~
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icrazy789 is not online. icrazy789
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26 Jan 2014 12:45 PM
@starwarsbrony43, think of it this way. You are walking down a road and that road splits down two ways. One way leads to pleasure now but suffering later. The other leads to suffering now but pleasure later. You must choose one. Same idea with your belief in God.
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starwarsbrony43 is not online. starwarsbrony43
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26 Jan 2014 12:45 PM
Pretty much lol
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deltav is not online. deltav
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26 Jan 2014 12:45 PM
if you do anything on this list
you will suffer the worst forms of anguish and pain in existence
god is a jerk to creation itself
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ThAfro is not online. ThAfro
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26 Jan 2014 12:46 PM
No. Thats not the concept of free will.
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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26 Jan 2014 12:46 PM
@icrazy

so how is eternal punishment justified?
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deltav is not online. deltav
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26 Jan 2014 12:47 PM
"@starwarsbrony43, think of it this way. You are walking down a road and that road splits down two ways. One way leads to pleasure now but suffering later. The other leads to suffering now but pleasure later. You must choose one. Same idea with your belief in God."

i choose not following the road but carving my own path through the shrubbery
it makes me sound manly or something but really the shrubbery only gets knee-high
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ThAfro is not online. ThAfro
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26 Jan 2014 12:47 PM
if you do anything on this list
you will suffer the worst forms of anguish and pain in existence
god is a jerk to creation itself
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God is a jerk for sacrificing his son so that you may live and have everlasting life? Do you even hear what you're saying?
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starwarsbrony43 is not online. starwarsbrony43
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26 Jan 2014 12:48 PM
The sacrifice is pretty meaningless.
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skyarex is not online. skyarex
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26 Jan 2014 12:48 PM
This is a question to THafro

Why does god seem to go go through great lengths to hide his existence? It isn't breaking free will to just say "im here guys" and everyone will believe a god exists. But instead, we get absolutely nothing to go on other than a book (which has many contradictions mind you) that is supposedly the word of god?

"Don't Panic"- HHGTTG
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26 Jan 2014 12:49 PM
"God is a jerk for sacrificing his son so that you may live and have everlasting life? "
god is a jerk for making a set of obnoxious rules that result in eternal torment if you dont follow them
its like an instructions manual for a device that promptly explodes in your face if you accidentally apply too much pressure while wiping the dust off
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zekey101 is not online. zekey101
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26 Jan 2014 12:49 PM
God is a mythical creature just like santa claus(says the athiest)
GOD IS POWERFUL ANDD UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU SHOULD BE SCURED OF HIM (says the crazy christan)
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icrazy789 is not online. icrazy789
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26 Jan 2014 12:50 PM
@obama1337TESTING, God does not punish you, you choose to be punish. It is your choice. If God had not given us free will, we would all do what He wanted and we would all be in Heaven in the end. But God gave us a choice. You choose if you want to have eternal happiness or suffering.
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obama1337TESTING is not online. obama1337TESTING
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26 Jan 2014 12:50 PM
that doesnt answer my question at all. how can infinite punishment ever be just for a finite crime?
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deltav is not online. deltav
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26 Jan 2014 12:51 PM
"Why does god seem to go go through great lengths to hide his existence? It isn't breaking free will to just say "im here guys" and everyone will believe a god exists. But instead, we get absolutely nothing to go on other than a book (which has many contradictions mind you) that is supposedly the word of god?"

there is probably something written among the lines of
"true belief and faith" and that it is important
and if you succeed you will find yourself rewarded
and life was a test after all

its somewhere up there with "friendship is the strongest force in existence" in terms of stupid plot devices
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starwarsbrony43 is not online. starwarsbrony43
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26 Jan 2014 12:51 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVWAUhadJzTk
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