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Re: Here is why dubstep is not musically impressive

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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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21 Jan 2014 10:35 PM
- - -All a dubstep artist has to have is good rhythm really. Pre-made sounds are used for effects and notes in their music. If a guitarist wants to make music, he has a guitar, and himself. He has to do many things right to make a great sound. A DJ really just has to "push buttons" as people sometimes say.

- - -Also, famous guitarists sound different. Jimi Hendrix has a different style than Eddie Van Halen. This is because they have freedom on their instrument to make unique sounds, to make their own, to truly have few limits to what sounds they want to make. A DJ is confined to what sounds and effects are able to be made on his board.

- - -I can understand if you like dubstep or music like it, I can see way you like it. It's not like it's bad. But it's not a musical wonder.
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johnb is not online. johnb
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21 Jan 2014 10:36 PM
dont take tha bait
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CommanderPonds67 is not online. CommanderPonds67
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21 Jan 2014 10:36 PM
oh boy here we go
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snazzell is not online. snazzell
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21 Jan 2014 10:37 PM
This is so flawed I can't... even.... No....
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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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21 Jan 2014 10:37 PM
I made a legit argument to this, don't act like it isn't logical.
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CommanderPonds67 is not online. CommanderPonds67
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21 Jan 2014 10:38 PM
oh it's so wrong lord help me give me strength
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johnb is not online. johnb
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21 Jan 2014 10:38 PM
beatles dubstep remixes are amazing, op
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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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21 Jan 2014 10:38 PM
How about tell me why you think it's wrong instead of just saying it's wrong.
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johnb is not online. johnb
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21 Jan 2014 10:39 PM
yello submurine yoiyoi
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TheAsassin is not online. TheAsassin
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21 Jan 2014 10:41 PM
highly suspect troll but i feel like arguing anyway

"A DJ really just has to "push buttons" as people sometimes say."
djing=/=producing
people seem to think that electronic music is made by hitting a giant red button, it's not

"- - -Also, famous guitarists sound different. Jimi Hendrix has a different style than Eddie Van Halen. This is because they have freedom on their instrument to make unique sounds, to make their own, to truly have few limits to what sounds they want to make. A DJ is confined to what sounds and effects are able to be made on his board."

you could flip this argument around and say that real instruments are limited to the sounds they're confined to creating
try playing a drum solo on an acoustic guitar, for example
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CommanderPonds67 is not online. CommanderPonds67
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21 Jan 2014 10:41 PM
all i'm saying is dub dub dub > strum strum strum
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littletiara is not online. littletiara
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21 Jan 2014 10:42 PM
dubstep sucks

i know my rights so excuse u all
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CommanderPonds67 is not online. CommanderPonds67
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21 Jan 2014 10:44 PM
NO

DUB DUB DUB > STRUM STRUM STRUM
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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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21 Jan 2014 10:45 PM
I never said it's like hitting a big red button. Of course they have a large range of options, but it's still limited. Now, you can play a drum solo on a guitar. Honestly, you can just tap your hand on it. People have actually done it tons of times, and it sounds cool.

And, when they are producing it's even less of a music wonder. They have time to make these rhythmic patterns, and the drops, and all of that stuff. Rhythmically, they make cool things. But I've learned a decent amount about music theory; the notes they put together is very simple.
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snazzell is not online. snazzell
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21 Jan 2014 10:45 PM
"- - -All a dubstep artist has to have is good rhythm really. Pre-made sounds are used for effects and notes in their music. If a guitarist wants to make music, he has a guitar, and himself. He has to do many things right to make a great sound. A DJ really just has to "push buttons" as people sometimes say."

Granted, I don't enjoy dubstep, granted, some artists are like that. But, the fact that some dubstep artists have just rhythm, is false. You must have lightning fast reflexes to actualy make something as fast paced as that. There are knobs, pads, oscillators, computers, distorions all involved and you have to do them at once. The pre-made sounds thing is false too. Musicisans like that use keyboards, and like I said, different knobs and gadgets to creat a sound, they sometimes even use instruments!





"- - -Also, famous guitarists sound different. Jimi Hendrix has a different style than Eddie Van Halen. This is because they have freedom on their instrument to make unique sounds, to make their own, to truly have few limits to what sounds they want to make. A DJ is confined to what sounds and effects are able to be made on his board. "

Yeah, so do electronic artists. And there are SO MANY possibilities to those effects on his pads and gadgets and keyboards and synths and various other instruments.
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TheAsassin is not online. TheAsassin
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21 Jan 2014 10:46 PM
"Of course they have a large range of options, but it's still limited."
except you can sample literally any sound on the planet
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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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21 Jan 2014 10:49 PM
you guys aren't realizing this. Even though you can put all kinds of sounds on a board, it's EASY for them. They have ANY sound they want at their finger tips. Musicians have to WORK to get good sounds. That's why it's not musically impressive for Dubstep producers.

And when I said they have rhythm, they really generally need it. It's the main thing in dubstep music; rhythm. These producers have made complex things like fivelets in their music, and runs that can resemble a batterie baseline.
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CommanderPonds67 is not online. CommanderPonds67
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21 Jan 2014 10:50 PM
Okay hey I'm gonna give my two cents again alrighty.

Like I said before, music is music. There's simple music. There's complicated music. That being said, there's simple guitar music and simple electronic music. There's all kinds of music. But it's all music. You can't rightly say one kind is better than the other, is more difficult to create than the other, just because you like/dislike it more. That's just simply not true. Now, I've never taken any kind of music theory, I'm honestly pretty limited when it comes to my taste in music. I'll give just about anything a listen, though. But music is music. There's no better music, there's no worse music. It's all just music, and there's no set difficulty in making it, and saying some guitarist worked harder to create his song than some electronic artist isn't true. It's not like one kind is automatically harder because of the instruments used. It's all just music.

That's how I see it, anyways. Whatever, I could be completely wrong. I'm just saying, music is music.
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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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21 Jan 2014 10:52 PM
No music is better than any other, because that's an opinion, you're right.

But what I'm saying is that Dubstep doesn't present the musical challenge that other musicians face. They don't have to produce the sound, they just have to make the sound happen.
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CommanderPonds67 is not online. CommanderPonds67
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21 Jan 2014 10:56 PM
But what I'm saying is that Dubstep doesn't present the musical challenge that other musicians face. They don't have to produce the sound, they just have to make the sound happen.

Can't the same be said for any musician? They don't produce the sound, their tool does. The guitar produces the note, you just make it happen.

They all work equally hard (even that's not true, that comes down to a personal level, not what kind of artist they are) to make the music sound good. To find the right beats, rhythms, whatever. To make lyrics fit. To make whatever goal you have for the piece work. It doesn't matter what kind of music you're making, because it's music. You worked hard, you made it sound nice. That's the basic idea, whether you're a dubstep artist or a rapper or a rock star or whatever. You made music.
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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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21 Jan 2014 10:58 PM
If a percussionist playing Marimba wants to hit a C natural, he has some options. He can hit it many different ways, making it different tambers, using different mallets, playing at different dynamics. Even if Dubstep Artists have tons of sounds, they don't have that kind of freedom.
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CommanderPonds67 is not online. CommanderPonds67
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21 Jan 2014 11:00 PM
I don't think that's entirely true at all?

What you're saying is that music made with traditional instruments is automatically harder to create than music made with a computer. Forget the individual, because you never said anything about that. If I were to pick up my guitar, and try to create something, it's automatically more challenging than if I were to download some software and create something on my laptop. That's what I'm getting from you.
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snazzell is not online. snazzell
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21 Jan 2014 11:01 PM
You don't seem to understand that there are many electronic music artists that play different instruments for their electronic music. And not just electronic instruments.
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Ishinoshiro2 is not online. Ishinoshiro2
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22 Jan 2014 05:27 PM
It IS harder to create music with traditional instruments. It really is. I know, because I've gotten to the point where my musical teachers talk a LOT about how to produce a good sound. Dubstep producers simply put together beats and not even an impressive melody, harmony, or base line.

Also, if they are live, they use their board (or whatever you call it). When they are making something, even if they are using other instruments to help get the sound, they still don't create good melodies/harmonies.

It's simply not as musically hard. What you guys are saying is hard in a DIFFERENT way. Not musically.
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johnb is not online. johnb
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22 Jan 2014 05:30 PM
idk man this loefah go pretty hard
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